After reading through that, Mazda's G-vector control does sound similar to the system in the Prelude. That would explain why old Hondas were known for great handling even with FWD. Does the new Civic or Accord have this tech? Do other manufacturers offer something similar on their mainstream cars? I can only think of the Focus ST which has a brake based torque vectoring which is not the same thing. The new GTI also something similar though I do not know how it works.
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After reading through that, Mazda's G-vector control does sound similar to the system in the Prelude. That would explain why old Hondas were known for great handling even with FWD. Does the new Civic or Accord have this tech? Do other manufacturers offer something similar on their mainstream cars? I can only think of the Focus ST which has a brake based torque vectoring which is not the same thing. The new GTI also something similar though I do not know how it works.
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Acura
Honda
Mitsubishi
Subaru
Ford
Nissan
Jeep
They all make vehicles with one form of it. Hell, even minivans have it.
http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/toyota+sienna+rav+4+awd+cures+winter+blues.htm nice of Mazda to join the rest of the 21st century. This is why they should go choke themselves for even announcing it. They should have pretended it existed all along and not even mentioned it, like Nissan did in 2012 with the 370z oil coolers.
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Well this's a wishful thinking. Mazda is not Ferrari、Lamborghini or Maserati who can rely on low volume with high profit margin! Mazda is going to have hard time to survive if their sales volume is not going up!
I don't think the Super Handling of Acura is at all the same as Mazda's system.
The former is an active system, which uses torque vectoring and requires heavy hardware to work.
Mazda's system is really only ECU change + engine that can respond to control signals quickly enough.
The benefits are somewhat similar but not identical. Acura's SH will actually have the outer rear wheel push the car and help it rotate actively, whereas Mazda's system does not change torque distribution between wheels. The main benefit of Mazda's system is more predictable/controllable steering response as well as more stability.
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I'm not surprised if the luxury manufacturers have this feature, but I'm more interested in mainstream manufacturers.
I took a quick peek on the specs for the new Civic and Accord. I don't see anything mentioned about a similar system/tech on their cars that will help improve their car's handling. Considering they had this in the Prelude, why wouldn't they advertise such a feature? Or are you saying that all those manufacturers have this feature and it's just that no one advertises it? I mean manufacturers mention if their cars have limited slip differentials, but why not mention this?
I would also exclude AWD systems from being compared to the G-vector control. If you have an AWD system, then the whole system supersedes something as small as g-vector control, which only does minor torque reduction when turning.
If Mazda decides to chase after sales volume at the cost of driving fun, then at that point they would be the same as any other manufacturer. There would be nothing to differentiate them from the other mainstream manufacturers. You buy a Mazda because they prioritize making cars that are fun to drive. Take that away and their main customer base will have no reason to keep buying their cars.
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So they can stop calling it "Torque vectoring", then...
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I honestly don't know the answer to that one.
GM did not announce that they used the ZR1's oil cooler in the Z06 starting in 2011.
Nissan did not mention their liquid/liquid oil cooler added in 2012 to the 370Z because of overheating complaints in prior years.
ZERO mention from either.
Why wouldn't they? I dunno...I really don't.
To answer your question about the civic, though, it uses the brakes instead of the engine, so not torque vectoring, but similar results for cheaper/easier.
Actually, it's not called torque vectoring, it's called g vectoring.
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*sigh*
I wish they had not announced it at all and made it a silent change so noone would have known about it. It's like your 35 year old drinking buddy loudly announcing that as of last night, he's not a virgin anymore. He didn't help his rep, any...
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http://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/newsroom/g-vectoring-control/
Well, how does G Vectoring work, then. None of the explanations for it make it sound like anything new. Engine power modulation and maybe some braking. What's new? I tried to watch the video with the guy with the tiny arms, but when he started talking about monkey-feet and brain roots and crap, he just lost me. Full disclosure, I've had a bit to drink and am turning in for the night. Maybe when I wake up, I'll be enlightened as to what makes G vectoring mo special than all the other very effective systems out there. The only revolutionary system I've seen is PTM from GM. And PTM is absolutely sick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9RVZkjZkek
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I can't view the videos at the office. If you meant Dave Coleman as the guy with the tiny arms, I'm surprised you didn't find him entertaining. He usually gives out great easy to understand info on the videos I've seen him on. He seems to be a legend to older car enthusiasts from his Sport Compact days. Anyways, while I don't disagree that G-vectoring seems similar to other systems car manufacturers have, I think the way Mazda intends to use it is different. It is my understanding that they are using it to reduce driver fatigue from the constant steering inputs you have to make when driving. I've also read a number of articles from journalists who tried this new system and no one seemed to compare it to an older existing system from other car manufacturers.
PTM seems cool though to me it sounds like it works just like an AWD system.
PTM seems cool though to me it sounds like it works just like an AWD system.
It is a *real* innovation, why make it silent? The marketing name for it can be confusing, but it does provide real benefit for the driver and passengers.
Perhaps learn about what it is before dismissing it, so you can make more informed posts.
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When I'm drunk, I have the attention span of a ferret on crack.
The PTM is amazing because you can FLOOR it like a wailing idiot, and it will modulate power so precisely that your corner speed and time will be near identical to the best drivers on the planet, on their best day, on the best track conditions. It's absolutely idiotproof* and amazing.
*Is anything, really?
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So what does it do that other systems do not/have not, for years?
You should really take the time to watch the video to get the answer to this question. It appears that you've formed an uninformed opinion. You might surprise yourself when you find out that it offers benefits not found on other systems. If I recall correctly initially you were not impressed with Sky-active AWD until you learned more about it.
If one really wants to look at tech in the last 20 years Mitsubishi probably had things back in '88 - '92 on the Sigma and Diamante that one sees just coming onto the scene even today. IMO...seemingly good in the day but a toddler crawling on the floor in implementation & tech compared to today.
EDIT: I wouldn't consider one today but in the day if you wanted tech Mitsubishi was your suitor if you wanted a Japanese car with tech back in the late '80s early 90's
EDIT: I wouldn't consider one today but in the day if you wanted tech Mitsubishi was your suitor if you wanted a Japanese car with tech back in the late '80s early 90's
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Another site calling G-Vectoring not related to torque vectoring, didn't explain much, just demonstration:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...so-subtle-don-t-know-what-it-does-112217.html
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...so-subtle-don-t-know-what-it-does-112217.html
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Well UO, you've managed to completely divert yet another thread into a direction that satisfies your need to discredit the car you drive. There are times you would be better to keep quiet. Do you really think the OP is interested in your opinion about something you seem to have latched on too and doesn't even apply to at this time?
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