jcgemt2003
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Fantastic Mrlilguy!!!! Now lets see 400whp!!!!!
built 3071r big turbo build up
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
define BIG. he'll make good numbers, there is no doubt in my mind of that.
i always said that tuning had nothing to do with any built motor, lower compression "worries" that people would have on this car. now you see why i recommend breaking in the motor or simply running one of these built motors on stock EMS. if you have any problems with any build on any car, slapping a tuning device on it is not the answer. for those that don't think the stock ECU doesn't learn or adjust, this thread and this video is proof positive of how flat wrong those people are.
happy and angry
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With the work you've done to the motor do you think it'll be able to safely rev higher than the stock engine?
trufanatic
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- 2008 Red MS3
that piston and rod combo is good for 600+whp. that will NEVER happen with the stock ECU. I dont doublt that he'll make 400-450 wheel but even then im skeptical.
im not knocking his build...but with a the good tuning solution or until someone figure out a good map for this car im pretty confident we can see 400 on a stock motor all day.
There are old 4g63 motors, 15years old that will do 450whp with just a head gasket, turbo, fuel and A DAMN GOOD TUNE. and on the flip side, i've seen poorly tune 4g63s not last too long... shoot i hope Jon gets far with everything, maybe a company will use him a guiny pig for a standalone but right now because of how business and money works i dont see it happening...but again, prove me wrong.
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
well i respectfully disagree. even with great tunes i think long term the motor is not good to 400 horsepower. i live in the heartland of DSM tuners (damn factory is but a few hours from my house) so those are a dime a dozen around here. its not a problem to reach X whp, its a problem to keep it at X whp for longer than a few months safely. the 4G63 is a totally different animal than the L3-VDT. you'll find those old 4Gs hold up better than the newer ones (anything pre 1992) because they are made better. anything aluminum or not 6 bolt i would not put confidence in holding the kind of power without building it. again, thats a different engine altogether from a totally different time period and - no offense to mazda - was a better built setup by far, at least to 1992.
i don't think its a waste to build a motor when people are having no difficulty blowing them up with little to no modifications. the engines just aren't built that good. there is no evidence and only speculation to support that they are built that good.
this doesn't even go into what kind of abuse the transmission or axles will take. judging by my experience with the last round of mazdaspeed FWD setups, i think you will find that even with a nice standalone, you will soon exceed the limitations of your transmission and axles. and knowing there are no current options for those is something for people to think about as well as tuning the car.
i don't think its a waste to build a motor when people are having no difficulty blowing them up with little to no modifications. the engines just aren't built that good. there is no evidence and only speculation to support that they are built that good.
this doesn't even go into what kind of abuse the transmission or axles will take. judging by my experience with the last round of mazdaspeed FWD setups, i think you will find that even with a nice standalone, you will soon exceed the limitations of your transmission and axles. and knowing there are no current options for those is something for people to think about as well as tuning the car.
jcgemt2003
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(monkey2)(whip) Back to the basement monkeyboy!!!
mrlilguy157
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i'm running some falken all seasons (check my sig). the idle is normal at about 700rpms or so once the car is warmed up. i've got 200 miles on the setup now, and i creeped into boost a few times today. the car feels wonderful.
as far as revving higher... we'll see how i feel on the streets once i have my confidence back 100% and the car is ready to be beat. i'll probably shift at 6800-7100 rpms.
trufanatic - i'm fully aware the motor is good for 600whp. i won't be there. i have no desire to be there. that power is stupid on a FWD daily driven car. i DO want 400whp on pump gas, and maybe a race map built for near 450whp. this motor will NOT see more than 24psi.
just because the motor is built for a ridiculous amount of power, does not mean i want to be there.
i am not made of money. if something else big breaks (other than the trans, i have an extra), then i'm SOL.
to everyone else - thanks again for the positive support!
as far as revving higher... we'll see how i feel on the streets once i have my confidence back 100% and the car is ready to be beat. i'll probably shift at 6800-7100 rpms.
trufanatic - i'm fully aware the motor is good for 600whp. i won't be there. i have no desire to be there. that power is stupid on a FWD daily driven car. i DO want 400whp on pump gas, and maybe a race map built for near 450whp. this motor will NOT see more than 24psi.
just because the motor is built for a ridiculous amount of power, does not mean i want to be there.
i am not made of money. if something else big breaks (other than the trans, i have an extra), then i'm SOL.
to everyone else - thanks again for the positive support!
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And lastly...
Dude, the man spent money he earned how he saw fit. Dont agree with his fiscal practices? Doesnt make a ****, leave him to his devices, and allow us to enjoy seeing something that hasnt been done, being done. Want to prove a point? Go spend your money and do so.
I find all of this disconcerning. I was really happy to find my motor on the top 10 list! Lol i guess i took that to heart with out question. What are the weak points that people seeing with these? I dont know how to feel about hearing that my engine and my tranny suck. Makes me feel a little less secure with my purchase. Hope its all things we can work around!
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What the **** is this about?! Lol i see it all over the place and Ken never coments on it.....whats the deal?
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its all good. jason pretends to have a sense of humor
mrlilguy157
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- 07 mazdaspeed 3
thanks for the support guys. 300miles on the whole shabang now. thats all city miles. i've driven maybe 15 or so on the highway. I want to be sure and constantly engage and disengage that clutch. pre-mature failure = the suck.
i got heavy into boost last night and this morning. last night was a no go. misfire in cylinder 2. i got a new plug in there and the car ran like a top today/tonight. the electrode on the plug from last night was half gone. I knew it was before I put it in, but ran it anyways. the car didn't like it. no biggie
i'm starting to feel comfortable with the car. i now have a dashhawk from a friend which I've been monitoring thigns with while mine is somewhere in oklahoma (i hope!). everything seems to be in check. if something isnt, i know exactly why (lean off of idle, by maybe .2 points at the most. it never stays lean) at idle.
also. the car was nasty powerful tonight. i blew off the boost tube from the turbo to intercooler. I need a longer one for the ETS/big turbo combo. no big deal, ken/protegegarage has it in the mail with my coils and rear sway.
stay excited. i sure am!
i got heavy into boost last night and this morning. last night was a no go. misfire in cylinder 2. i got a new plug in there and the car ran like a top today/tonight. the electrode on the plug from last night was half gone. I knew it was before I put it in, but ran it anyways. the car didn't like it. no biggie
i'm starting to feel comfortable with the car. i now have a dashhawk from a friend which I've been monitoring thigns with while mine is somewhere in oklahoma (i hope!). everything seems to be in check. if something isnt, i know exactly why (lean off of idle, by maybe .2 points at the most. it never stays lean) at idle.
also. the car was nasty powerful tonight. i blew off the boost tube from the turbo to intercooler. I need a longer one for the ETS/big turbo combo. no big deal, ken/protegegarage has it in the mail with my coils and rear sway.
stay excited. i sure am!
afr
Yes this is fun. Do you have a map or data we could see for your air / fuel? How does the break in oil look on your oil changes and what oil are you using? We are all very enthusiastic about this project and certainly wish you guys the best of luck.
Yes this is fun. Do you have a map or data we could see for your air / fuel? How does the break in oil look on your oil changes and what oil are you using? We are all very enthusiastic about this project and certainly wish you guys the best of luck.
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Hey, that is a good question! The compressor maps posted on our forum, before on the k04 look like upping boost beyond 18 - 20 might not be effective and the compressor air after about 6300 is starting to warm. I know folks have run more than that and been OK. I am looking at a bigger unit with more volume. And less boost 15 or so. But this project of lilguys will answer lots of Questions about the engine and ecu. Lets stay tuned in!
Hey, that is a good question! The compressor maps posted on our forum, before on the k04 look like upping boost beyond 18 - 20 might not be effective and the compressor air after about 6300 is starting to warm. I know folks have run more than that and been OK. I am looking at a bigger unit with more volume. And less boost 15 or so. But this project of lilguys will answer lots of Questions about the engine and ecu. Lets stay tuned in!
mrlilguy157
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tiny update (nothing special). the car runs like a top now, absolutely flawless. no leaks, holds boost fine, no misfires, etc. I was able to tighten up the boost hose from the turbo to the TMIC today (still running the stock TMIC), and I checked all coils, and spark plugs. I changed the plug in cylinder 3 yesterday, not 2. I did cylinder 2 this morning (using the colder iridiums from ken) and examined all of the coils and coilsprings. I pulled the spring in coil 2 which also may have contributed to the misfire problem for the small spirited bursts I've had.
I'm running 13psi right now and i've done a single pull in 2nd gear, then another single pull in 3rd and one in 4th. everything felt great. the 3rd gear pull blew off the TMIC hose before I had tightened it up today.
I'm not ready to do logs quite yet, I still want to be easy on the motor. i'm not raping it yet! There is 325miles on it now.
all smiles here.
I'm running 13psi right now and i've done a single pull in 2nd gear, then another single pull in 3rd and one in 4th. everything felt great. the 3rd gear pull blew off the TMIC hose before I had tightened it up today.
I'm not ready to do logs quite yet, I still want to be easy on the motor. i'm not raping it yet! There is 325miles on it now.
all smiles here.
