Bringing it to the dealer AGAIN!
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knowledge007
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I agree with Bakrauf that indeed nondual has been the most anti-ms3 here..
On another thought, just b/c you have driven stick before does not mean that you are a master. Driving one car that is stick hardly makes a stick driver. Every car is different. Of course when you let off the gas the revs are going to come down fast. Thats due to the turbo not spooling and you not either shifting or throwing it in neurtral. I can almost tell that you don't know how to down shift correctly. But then again there is no way to tell for sure with out observing you. I have drivin stick since I was 15 years old and have had 10 charged up vehicles all stick. I am not saying I am a master, but I am defenitely up there along with prolly 75% of the people on this forum. I know people who have also drivin stick as long as me and still dont have the slightest clue as what the hell they are doing.
So maybe the other guy is right, you need to get someone in the car with you that you think knows what he is doing in the slightest and let him obverve you. Or better yet, let him go for a ride....lmao I would pay money just to hear his results.
On another thought, just b/c you have driven stick before does not mean that you are a master. Driving one car that is stick hardly makes a stick driver. Every car is different. Of course when you let off the gas the revs are going to come down fast. Thats due to the turbo not spooling and you not either shifting or throwing it in neurtral. I can almost tell that you don't know how to down shift correctly. But then again there is no way to tell for sure with out observing you. I have drivin stick since I was 15 years old and have had 10 charged up vehicles all stick. I am not saying I am a master, but I am defenitely up there along with prolly 75% of the people on this forum. I know people who have also drivin stick as long as me and still dont have the slightest clue as what the hell they are doing.
So maybe the other guy is right, you need to get someone in the car with you that you think knows what he is doing in the slightest and let him obverve you. Or better yet, let him go for a ride....lmao I would pay money just to hear his results.
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nondual said:
That was actually directed towards Bakrauf
Who cares if he's not been happy so far with his car? It's HIS car. If he wants to share that, let him! He's sharing his personal experience. Most of ours have been good. His, not so good. I'd be pretty pissed if my motor mounts broke too. I'd sure as hell post about it.
Lay off the poor guy.
Lay off the poor guy.
Yeah, blame the driver...I DO know how to downshift, thank you very much. I've driven more than one stick shift in my life. I DO shift or put it into neutral immediately after pressing the clutch...and yet, you 'can almost tell me I don't know how to shift'. The engine fell out of the car. If the transmission failed, that'd be one thing, but the transmission is fine.knowledge007 said:
C'ville said:
BINGO! thats why I wanted to read the Ticket. I wanted to read exactly what MAZDA wrote on his repair bill. So it wasnt loose bolt it was a mount failure? "They said the thing just broke. No loose bolt they could tell, it just flat out failed."That would be the first reported failure if I am not mistaken. There was Proof of the bolt failure=pics. I am simply asking for proof of a mount failure so we can actually document that as well. Not ragging on Nondual at all.
Plus I guess I come from the MSP side of the house where, there were major problems and I still bought the car. The MS3 is no where close (so far) to having the same issue as the MSP-(1 reported bolt issue on MS3 and it looks like 1 reported mount break-nondual).You know what I still loved that ride despite the problems and never HATED on it or Mazda. 99% of the folks on the MSP side had at least one problem and I never saw a I hate my MSP post. Almost every car made has at least one problem.
I want to be clear about this car:
I LOVE the performance of this car. It just blows me away for the money, and I know with a few cheap bolt-ons and a XEDE or the CP-E engine management, this thing's going to be a monster. I LOVE the potential of this car and I know there's just nothing on the market that will come close. The new SRT-4 is going to be top-heavy, and just heavy in general. The GTI is underpowered and doesn't have a true LSD. The Civic Si is NA and getting a turbo on there would be problematic. This car is a freakin' monster, and usually I LOVE driving it.
I'm just frustrated as all hell about the problems I have. If the cure is as simple as buying better engine mounts, I'll do it! (Once it's out of warranty, just in case the engine DOES drop again) The service tech I talked to said that there have been other cases of an all-out engine mount failure (not just a bolt backing out) and he suspects that three aluminum mounts are not sufficient to hold this powerful engine down. He's actually hoping for a recall.
My girlfriend thinks I'm crazy to keep the car, but she drives a small Honda SUV, so she really doesn't understand. I drove the car up on Angeles Crest Highway again today and saw everybody out with their bikes and Evos and STis and had a blast!
What I want to do is get my motorcycle up here so I have a backup, then get XEDE, Turboback, Intercooler, lighter wheels, and a CAI - and upgraded engine mounts!!
I LOVE the performance of this car. It just blows me away for the money, and I know with a few cheap bolt-ons and a XEDE or the CP-E engine management, this thing's going to be a monster. I LOVE the potential of this car and I know there's just nothing on the market that will come close. The new SRT-4 is going to be top-heavy, and just heavy in general. The GTI is underpowered and doesn't have a true LSD. The Civic Si is NA and getting a turbo on there would be problematic. This car is a freakin' monster, and usually I LOVE driving it.
I'm just frustrated as all hell about the problems I have. If the cure is as simple as buying better engine mounts, I'll do it! (Once it's out of warranty, just in case the engine DOES drop again) The service tech I talked to said that there have been other cases of an all-out engine mount failure (not just a bolt backing out) and he suspects that three aluminum mounts are not sufficient to hold this powerful engine down. He's actually hoping for a recall.
My girlfriend thinks I'm crazy to keep the car, but she drives a small Honda SUV, so she really doesn't understand. I drove the car up on Angeles Crest Highway again today and saw everybody out with their bikes and Evos and STis and had a blast!
What I want to do is get my motorcycle up here so I have a backup, then get XEDE, Turboback, Intercooler, lighter wheels, and a CAI - and upgraded engine mounts!!
knowledge007
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Why not be clear the first time instead of posting threads with these despicable titles...
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
SwampAss said:
Feel the same. If it wasn't for his problems with his car I wouldn't have known about multiple cars having failures of that mount bolt. As unfortunate as his experience has been, it was good info to know about. No need to add insult to injury on his part... he's suffering enough with all the BS happening to the car.
knowledge007 said:
+1
And at least post some pics like on the other forums. I understand your frustration but just bitching about it only isn't going to help anyone else. Considering the way I drive, if the mount was weak, mine wouldve broken already (knock on wood). In fact there should be a lot more failures. That's the reason why most believe, and the evidence seem to support, a loose bolt as the cause. BTW just looking at or tugging at the bolt is not enough. It has to be torqued down to at least 75 ft/lbs from what I understand. Many people are finding them completely loose or torqued to only 25 ft/lbs. And some actually recommend supporting the transmission with a jack while it's done.
I'm not trying to justify this issue cause it sucks and Mazda really do need to address this ASAP. A redesign is probably the best course of action but even a simple TSB would be a step in the right direction. Everyone needs to check those bolts!!! It's right under the battery box for those not familiar. Even if you can't support the transmission, put a torque wrench to it and make sure it's to spec.
knowledge007
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Betelgeuse said:
I second this Betelgeuse, eveyone is still waiting for some proof...considering as you said how hard you and I and prolly everyone else here has driven this car.
knowledge007 said:
Right on again.
We are not raggin on Nonduel. We want proof of the actual part failure. I run my car silly with no problems as of yet. If its a mount break then lets get it documented. I am sick and tired of everyone (not just this forum) jumping on mazda because 1 person says something in a forum. 1 person is saying his Mazdaspeed CAI is making his car throw a cell and everyone is in a uproar. I want proof of that as well since there are about 100 of those installed with ZERO problems. Yet everyone is jumping on the MS CAI sucks bandwagon. IF I have a problem it will be documented with picks or a trip ticket from the dealer! If not ill start waving the BS flag.
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Exactly!!!!
I agree completely with your assessment. Nothing is more frustrating than having people with no perspective crucify a company. It also amazes me how many of these people aren't engineers or don't know the first thing about developing products. Nonduel's issues are horrible, but let's not take one instance and blow it into a epidemic without proof.
This is how wars get started
I agree completely with your assessment. Nothing is more frustrating than having people with no perspective crucify a company. It also amazes me how many of these people aren't engineers or don't know the first thing about developing products. Nonduel's issues are horrible, but let's not take one instance and blow it into a epidemic without proof.
This is how wars get started
Bakrauf said:
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You're venting is welcome- to a point..
No they are welcome. We just need to make sure they're presented with perspective and context. My understanding is that this forum is a place to resolve issues. Venting is also OK, but flying off the handle isn't constructive. For instance I've been getting annoyed with my Mazda 5's suspension issues. They're actually driving me crazy, but I know Mazda has a fix and all I have to is waiti until the part comes in.
nondual said:
No they are welcome. We just need to make sure they're presented with perspective and context. My understanding is that this forum is a place to resolve issues. Venting is also OK, but flying off the handle isn't constructive. For instance I've been getting annoyed with my Mazda 5's suspension issues. They're actually driving me crazy, but I know Mazda has a fix and all I have to is waiti until the part comes in.
knowledge007
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Like I said before nondual, it is b/c of the despicable titles with your thread posts. Try and think before you add a title to what your going to post within the thread. To be honest the first on with the "I officially hate my mazda..." really got to me. And gets to me even further with what you have stated here that your not unhappy with the performance. With that being said, you see how you are contradicting your own posts.
