speed5hornet
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i can keep up with a 07 impreza, he even had sri. I have cai, obx header, cs power series exhaust. He eventually pulls away but i can definatly keep up and in the twisties...buh-bye subie!
Better Acceleration????
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ya, it is in canyon roads, I also keep up with modded mazda 3s and a number of other vehicles..only thing that has left me dusted was a full GT spec Rabbit with fully race built suspension
Also cousins R32 Golf ***** my face...lol
In straight lines thouhg..Hell, I lost to a Yaris..SO ya it may be the slowest vehicle ever built in the straigt, but twisties...I dunno...It is one of the best handling cars ive driven....Maybe i hve a factory freak...Or maybe Im just a dumbass and take too many risks,
More likely than not...A combination of the 2....Either way, In regards to this thread, Ya...Dont even go turbo...cause ull blow it up trying to even use teh turbo to its full extent..Even on low boost...
Sell ur car and buy......anything? and youll be instantly faster
Also cousins R32 Golf ***** my face...lol
In straight lines thouhg..Hell, I lost to a Yaris..SO ya it may be the slowest vehicle ever built in the straigt, but twisties...I dunno...It is one of the best handling cars ive driven....Maybe i hve a factory freak...Or maybe Im just a dumbass and take too many risks,
More likely than not...A combination of the 2....Either way, In regards to this thread, Ya...Dont even go turbo...cause ull blow it up trying to even use teh turbo to its full extent..Even on low boost...
Sell ur car and buy......anything? and youll be instantly faster
yumm now thats a real car...is it the mk4 or mk5? and id have to say my old si rex was the best handling car ive had...these big things are kinda scary in the canyons
Mazda P5 driver
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- 07 Legacy GT
buy a faster car and be done.
i remember the wheel spin in the wet on my old auto p5 with either toyo prxes 4's or nero m+s. that was just barely turning the wheel and not even flooring it.
what i have now.
07 legacy gt 5eat with rallitek protune hitting 16psi. that's with just a cobb a/p and rallitek tune. no hardware or anything else. 320 ftlb is crazy. 0-60 using second gear only would butt **** my old p5 using all the gears. i used to hit 95 when passing when i first got it cause it is that much quicker than the p5. i run re 960 a/s tires now. it doesn't feel like the p5 but it will hold the corners easy. you can NOT pull out of a corner like awd. in the wet...for get it. you will spin your tires even trying to keep up while i will literally leave you like you are parked.
just get a different car man. seriously. i pay under 100$ more a month even with a more expensive car. that's with insurance which actually decreased when i got the gt. i don't miss the p5 one bit. btw, a apexcone xenon upgrade is the balls on my gt. there is nothing i miss on the p5.
ms 3 man. get it tune it get 300whp and be done.
i remember the wheel spin in the wet on my old auto p5 with either toyo prxes 4's or nero m+s. that was just barely turning the wheel and not even flooring it.
what i have now.
07 legacy gt 5eat with rallitek protune hitting 16psi. that's with just a cobb a/p and rallitek tune. no hardware or anything else. 320 ftlb is crazy. 0-60 using second gear only would butt **** my old p5 using all the gears. i used to hit 95 when passing when i first got it cause it is that much quicker than the p5. i run re 960 a/s tires now. it doesn't feel like the p5 but it will hold the corners easy. you can NOT pull out of a corner like awd. in the wet...for get it. you will spin your tires even trying to keep up while i will literally leave you like you are parked.
just get a different car man. seriously. i pay under 100$ more a month even with a more expensive car. that's with insurance which actually decreased when i got the gt. i don't miss the p5 one bit. btw, a apexcone xenon upgrade is the balls on my gt. there is nothing i miss on the p5.
ms 3 man. get it tune it get 300whp and be done.
Mazda P5 driver
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- 07 Legacy GT
i still have more power even without the turbo.
dtm$>jdm
dtm breaks down >jdm
having an a4 tailgate me at the beginning of a corner because i let him catch up, then i left him behind severely....>....
he wouldn't even line back up when i slowed. he only got behind me cause of the stop light.
i actually got on it a little bit through the first one and he started tailgating. this was on stock power btw. stock suspension etc... i think i crushed his spirit.
fact is...if you want power...get a faster car. imo the p5 is a poor platform. and i am not saying that because of the fwd. there is just simply too much to do to get it right. imo...civic si with a turbo...or as i already ststed...mazdaspeed 3 with a tune etc will get you 300whp.
come on guys, isnt this the mazda forums? maybe these cars have some downfalls, but we should not steer people into buying another car. lol.
these cars are alot of fun and there are ways to make them even better.
it really depends on how much power you are looking for. thats for you to decide. maybe you can look at it this way,
The stock protege's im manual run about high 16's in the quarter mile. a NA protege with the right parts can get you in the 15's. 15's on a NA inline 4 is pretty quick, but some people want faster. 14's will easily be achieved with a small turbo kit or small shot of nos, but nos is not as safe as a basic turbo set up. 13's, will take a good amount of money. but a street car that runs 13's is very fast.
like i said, decide on how fast you want the car to be and take it from there. however, there are certain parts that should be taken under consideration before modding these cars. for example, buy new motor mounts cause the stock ones rip easily.
this might be the NA mod in me coming out, but turbo isn't the only solution. Its certainly the solution to gain the BIGGEST increase in accelleration, but there are quicker/cheaper solutions to the problem:
aftermarket ECU (cut my quartermile time by some 0.6 seconds)
I/H/E - spending money on decent gear, not OBX garbage, in conjunction with aftermarket ecu can give you times simillar to Twilightprotege (in the mid to high 14 range)
nitrous oxide (what Twilightprotege currently runs) and you're talking low to flat 14's.
Accelleration can also be improved by improving traction (limited slip diff, improved suspension, grippier tires)...... Traction is the "missing link"...power on its own will only get you so far before you fry tires..... the trick is to get the power to the ground.
if none of that is enough, turbo for sure....
aftermarket ECU (cut my quartermile time by some 0.6 seconds)
I/H/E - spending money on decent gear, not OBX garbage, in conjunction with aftermarket ecu can give you times simillar to Twilightprotege (in the mid to high 14 range)
nitrous oxide (what Twilightprotege currently runs) and you're talking low to flat 14's.
Accelleration can also be improved by improving traction (limited slip diff, improved suspension, grippier tires)...... Traction is the "missing link"...power on its own will only get you so far before you fry tires..... the trick is to get the power to the ground.
if none of that is enough, turbo for sure....
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Mazda P5 driver
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- 07 Legacy GT
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Mazda P5 driver
Banned
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- 07 Legacy GT
yeah...the STOCK trap speeds are over 95mph. top end it has. bottom end? same as a p5. put on a turbo you CAN gain bottom and top end. remember now...the evo runs with a 2.0 as well.
you really think a p5 will out corner it?
the mod market part availability is HUUUGE.
care to say why it is a bad choice?
even though the k20 motors have very strong internals to withstand the high reving and long rods, its not a good choice for forced induction because of vtech and high compression. the engine will not run right with high boost. people run low boost, but that is all they are able to do because if they raise it any higher, the engine will risk of blowing. since you can only run around 6 psi without pinging, the motor will have a hard time succeeding over 250 horse power. vtech plus forced induction is too hard on the motor. it is too dificult for the motor not to ping with those factors under consideration.
our engines do have weak internals, but with a right tune, the motors can take a good amount of power without any problems. 505 zoom's old msp had 275 whp on the stock motor on only 12 psi with a gt28rs. thats a great number at only 12 psi.
our cars take forced induction much better than a civic si. i think a turbo will bring down the intergrity of a civic si. the car was not made for that.
our engines do have weak internals, but with a right tune, the motors can take a good amount of power without any problems. 505 zoom's old msp had 275 whp on the stock motor on only 12 psi with a gt28rs. thats a great number at only 12 psi.
our cars take forced induction much better than a civic si. i think a turbo will bring down the intergrity of a civic si. the car was not made for that.
whilst i applaud you sticking up for the P5 (i honestly believe it is a wonderful platform), vtec is no harder on the engine then a set of big cams... vtec is just a cam profile change. K20A also has variable cam timing etc, which can be a bit of trouble for turbo (overlap adjusting open would mean less gas to spool a turbo) but these are all things that can be got around.
Vtec killer cams if you don't want vtec, lower comp pistons , turbo and hondata and you've got an absolutely STUPID engine. hell even NA they are rediclous engines. To get the FS to the same level of rediculousness is possible but costly.
However, i'd still stick with the P5.... a good engine does not a good car make. The P5 is well rounded...and the areas in which it lacks can be fixed...
