Best HP Gains not including Turbo?

Just got my pro5 in Jan and I'm trying to spice it up. (flame2) No serious mods yet, just really trying to get an extra 20-30 horses. Any ideas for the best mods to get me there? PS I have been lurking around and decided to finally post. (peep)
 
20-30 horses is turbo

You're lucky to get 10-15 from bolt on mods.

MP3 ECU, intake, header, highflow midpipe, and catback exhaust will net you your 10-15

Anymore than that is going to require serious mods.
 
mp3 ecu is about 5-10 hp, header and exhaust can get you another 5-15 (depending on setup) and I think full pullies can get you around 15 more hp.

P & P and remove vtcs manifold, light weight fly wheel, etc can also get you some more.

Intake will give you about 1hp lol

The best and cheapest route for power is to just go turbo.
 
I have been reading the threads on turboed pro5s and there seems to be problems popping up. Thanks for the input, I guess i will just save up for a faster toy. I cant afford to blow an engine by adding a turbo.
 
Adding a turbo won't blow your engine.....Too much boost will blow your engine....

Many people have run aftermarket turbo set-ups for thousands of miles with no problem....
 
lol, no one is mentioning cams?

look at the japanese mazdaspeed protege, it achieved horsepower numbers around that of the msp without going turbo....you wont get those numbers with cams alone, but cams are a big factor in that

on the more costly side of the jdm msp there were high compression pistons as well
 
He said no serious mods, and i consider cams to be pretty serious
 
I said I hadnt done any serious mods as of yet. How are cams harder than adding a turbo setup? Gotta look into cams now any recommendations? cost? What kind of turbos do yall run? seems like there have been some problems with not getting what you pay for.
 
cams are not that difficult to install, the hardest part is getting to the tensioner

luckily the tensioner in our cars is sping loaded, it just takes a bit of fancy manuevering to get to it and push on it

as for the turbo not getting what you pay for, thats not true
the stock wheel horsepower rating that most p5s put out is 98 whp, yes 98
when you jump to a stock turbo setup, with all stock piping...everything...you are looking to push around 140 whp

it may not seem like much, but for a car that puts out 98whp stock that is quite a jump from one mod alone

if you throw on turboback exhaust, hardpipes, and at least an upgraded sidemount (which in total naturally puts the car to about 8-9 psi, which is still safe on the stock motor) you will be seeing around 160-170 to the wheels

with the above setup on a tune and running the car at 10 psi (9 is what I would recommend, but plenty run 10 just fine) my last dyno had been 200 wheel torque and 185 wheel horsepower

if you plan for a certain hp range and stick to it, you will probably spend around 2000 to completely go turbo, for gains close to the 80hp range...if you just go with a stock turbo setup you wont get that much gain, but if you buy it and plan to run aftermarket parts from the moment you buy it you will cut a lot of losses and see pretty damn decent gains

as for cams:
the jdm cams are nice, however they are extremely hard to find...theres a few for sale on the forums right now, but thats a very rare sight...youll see gains of around 10-20 hp from cams, I think the last I heard the jdms put you at around 16 hp...twiggy sticks cams are very very nice, but they are impossible to find, even worse than the jdms....protege garage also sells integral cams, which I highly recommend, but they are costly
 
I cannot say for certain about the gas mileage

but as for tuning, to my knowledge you do not need to tune them...however, you may need to adjust the timing to a certain degree to get them to work with a turbocharged application....but to my knowledge you do not have to for N/A
 
I think it's pretty safe to say that if you increase your HP and performance of a car, mpg's go down because it's hard to stay off the pedal on the right.

If you want a 40hp gain, go with a stock MSP setup and you'll be happy. And, you can always add more mods later,(hot pipes, intake, upgraded side mount intercooler, turbo-back exhaust)
 
I meant the parts not ever being shipped to you when I said not getting what you pay for. I read that a couple of people had been waiting like 6 months and still didnt have their turbo setup. If you can manage to stay off the pedal on the right shouldnt you experience better mpg on a turbo setup?
 
As to wait times, it depends on what setup you want to go with. If you want a hi-boost setup, yeah, be ready to wait. But you can piece together a stock MSP setup from guys on here that have upgraded and sell off their stock parts.

And,since i am not turbo, i can't say for sure about mileage. I know mine would go down cause i wouldn't be able to stay out of the boost. lol
 
I meant the parts not ever being shipped to you when I said not getting what you pay for. I read that a couple of people had been waiting like 6 months and still didnt have their turbo setup. If you can manage to stay off the pedal on the right shouldnt you experience better mpg on a turbo setup?

Its possible that you might if you spend alot of time setting up fuel maps and never go into boost. However mpg you MIGHT gain, and I'm willing you guaranty you won't see any, will be offset by the fact that you're buying premium now.

If you really want to get 20-30 more N/A whp its gonna take a good amount of work and probably the same cost as a turbo. I would recommend doing what you said early and just get another toy when you can afford it.
 
If i could take the heat, i'd get another street bike. Even my 1991 Honda CBR F2 was a rocket. No, can't compete with todays newer bikes, but it leaves teh Pro5 like it is standing still. Can pick one up for $2000 or less. Then you have the Pro5 reliable, and a bike for your speed needs
 
Something you could also do is rather than try to make it straight line fast, make it handle even better in the corners.

Is your Pro5 daily driver? And you're just wanting more pep out of it?
 

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