AWR Headers Dyno [Equinox]

[Equinox]

My thoughts:

Peak gains mean DICK. Would it be awesome if you gained 15whp from headers, at 5500 rpms, but you were DOWN 20whp from 2000-5500 rpms? The Curves mean EVERYTHING.

Well for one, I said these dyno charts are merely so you can see my gains, I KNOW MY curves, I have since re dyno'd, which is why I know why the jumping in the curve is the motor mounts.

I'd wager you'd see dyno gains if you fixed your motor mounts.

Also I suggest reading the full posts before you reply to anything, As it has been shown in three different posts, including the original that I have fixed my motor mounts. Maybe you should read this thread fully?

I am NOT an N/A Skeptic - I'm a realist. N2O won't give you repeatible gains because eventually, you'll run out of 'Juice' - and N2O Is NOT 'Naturally Aspirated' Injesting that much Oxygen into your motor is NOT a natural occurance.

Enter Dead Horse Beating:

150whp N/A is possible from the FS motor. It WILL be expensive. I'd guess 160whp N/A is possible - some Miatas w/ the 1.8 are up over 190whp, N/A. Nevermind the Thousands and Thousands of dollars put into them.

I am well aware how much it will cost, and I'm sure you will notice that, to me, I'm all about the doing, and not the cost.

I'm just screaming that we should approach our goals with cautious optimism. Remember, if a Header adds 5hp, and a CAI ads 7, by themselves, TOGETHER they may add only a total of 10hp to your engine. Or maybe 15. How components work together is of paramount importance.

Liek I mentioned, I'm not worried about exact numbers, which is why I am generalizing numbers, if I think I can get 170whp from mods, I'm going to assume that will atleast, worst case scenario, make my 150whp goal.

 

[Equinox]

i dont understaind your dyno says you have 117 whp.
your saying that you have 126 whp now, have you done anything since the dyno to bring you up to 126whp?

Yes I have since installed mandrel bent 2.5" exhaust piping, and taken out the secondary cat and replaced with a OBX high flow cat (might as well be just a pipe, cause it flows the same)

Dimitrios - The AWR header replaces the stock exhaust manifold, which is where the primary cat is. Then, after the down pipe, which the header ALSO replaces, is the secondary cat. This is where the header connects to.

 

[Matthew]

you cannot just put a testpipe in place of the first cat. youd have to make some silly s*** at a muffler shop or weld shop...be easier and a hella lot nicer looking to just get the header

 

[Equinox]

you cannot just put a testpipe in place of the first cat. youd have to make some silly s*** at a muffler shop or weld shop...be easier and a hella lot nicer looking to just get the header

well the first cat bolts up to the exhaust manifold in this weird sort of barrel design, you coudl unbolt it, then weld a pipe to a plate... and bolt it up to the exhaust manifold. It would have to be a plate because the manifold spreads out to the width of the barrel before it bolts to the "barrel" itself. The pipe would have to go all the way down and maybe out the side near the front tire, or all the way back past the shift linkage(front seat area).

It woudl definately be tricky.

 

[Familia323]

Enter Dead Horse Beating:

I'm just screaming that we should approach our goals with cautious optimism. Remember, if a Header adds 5hp, and a CAI ads 7, by themselves, TOGETHER they may add only a total of 10hp to your engine. Or maybe 15. How components work together is of paramount importance.

Let the dead horse go!..... Im pretty sure Equinox is approaching this with cautious optimism.. you dont see him screaming out "EVERYONE GO N/A YOU GET INCREDIBLE GAINS" or anything like that. I dont see why you keep belittling his goals over and over... Obviously he is taking the path that not many care to take.. and if he wants to go this route, then let him go. I give him props for trying this because no one knows whats going to happen... Anyway, just let the kid do what he wants without reminding everyone of the same thing we all read about for 8 pages back in my thread on N/A. And I'm not trying to start a war, I just think it is time to wait for his final results and stop giving him a hard time for doing something that will open up some proof that everyone can benefit from knowing.

 

[chaosi]

Yea, I think you can get to 150whp.. get some head work done, larger IM and TB, some cams and some tuning and youre set. Then just sit back and let the turbo guys hate on you.

 

[RAAZ227]

11 whp...nice #'s

 

[PaulMP3]

You know, if you just fitted a test pipe in place of the primary cat, you'd probably see gains that are almost as nice as the header.

wagnermotorsports.net makes one. I bet it would be much cheaper without the high flow cat. He made it when he had JaJe downpipe off. It is a direct replacement.

 

[Equinox]

wagnermotorsports.net makes one. I bet it would be much cheaper without the high flow cat. He made it when he had JaJe downpipe off. It is a direct replacement.

yeah that's exactly what I was trying to describe, well, there you go, it retains the stock exhaust manifold tho, which isn't half bad really.

 

[PaulMP3]

he also has a midpipe that bolts up to stock locations. both midpipe and down pipe are 2.5"

he is working on a header now, that bolts to stock locations. Like the traveler header. I saw his progress saturday, looks nice. All flanges are laser cut SS and his weld are beautiful. Everything is Stainless.

 

[Darin]

Well for one, I said these dyno charts are merely so you can see my gains, I KNOW MY curves, I have since re dyno'd, which is why I know why the jumping in the curve is the motor mounts.

? Do you have any NoN-unreadable, pre-header Dyno plots?

Also I suggest reading the full posts before you reply to anything, As it has been shown in three different posts, including the original that I have fixed my motor mounts. Maybe you should read this thread fully?

Look kiddo - my re-stating, or agreeing with OTHER comments or observations about your motor mounts doesn't mean I'm not reading your dribble. Did any of those three different posts, including your original state "I think fixed motor mounts would show dyno gains?" I was trying to be encouraging -

dissagree with me, fine - but don't be an asshole, mmkay?

I am well aware how much it will cost, and I'm sure you will notice that, to me, I'm all about the doing, and not the cost.

whoopdeshit. here's something for you to 'do'...fix your damn motor mounts

Liek I mentioned, I'm not worried about exact numbers, which is why I am generalizing numbers, if I think I can get 170whp from mods, I'm going to assume that will atleast, worst case scenario, make my 150whp goal.

We'll see, I suppose.

 

[Mike R]

wagnermotorsports.net makes one.

Anybody know how much??

 

[Darin]

Let the dead horse go!..... Im pretty sure Equinox is approaching this with cautious optimism.. you dont see him screaming out "EVERYONE GO N/A YOU GET INCREDIBLE GAINS" or anything like that. I dont see why you keep belittling his goals over and over... Obviously he is taking the path that not many care to take.. and if he wants to go this route, then let him go. I give him props for trying this because no one knows whats going to happen... Anyway, just let the kid do what he wants without reminding everyone of the same thing we all read about for 8 pages back in my thread on N/A. And I'm not trying to start a war, I just think it is time to wait for his final results and stop giving him a hard time for doing something that will open up some proof that everyone can benefit from knowing.

belittling? Are you a child? read my replies - I asked for LEGIBLE Dyno prints before I believe claims - in order to get the REAL picture of how the header affected his engine, clear before and after runs need to be shown - apart from that happening, we have non-conclusive evidence which shows a power gain. 'peak' power is only HALF the battle. Unless you like VTEC.

If my questions constitute "giving anyone a 'hard time'", then that person is a pussy.

 

[PaulMP3]

email him. maybe ask if he would make it without a cat for those who dont want a cat at all. It also has a O2 bung after the cat so you wont throw a CEL

 

[Equinox]

Nice, I'll send some business his way

 

[Equinox]

belittling? Are you a child? read my replies - I asked for LEGIBLE Dyno prints before I believe claims - in order to get the REAL picture of how the header affected his engine, clear before and after runs need to be shown - apart from that happening, we have non-conclusive evidence which shows a power gain. 'peak' power is only HALF the battle. Unless you like VTEC.

If my questions constitute "giving anyone a 'hard time'", then that person is a pussy.

Darin, shut up, lol.

 

[Familia323]

belittling? Are you a child? read my replies - I asked for LEGIBLE Dyno prints before I believe claims - in order to get the REAL picture of how the header affected his engine, clear before and after runs need to be shown - apart from that happening, we have non-conclusive evidence which shows a power gain. 'peak' power is only HALF the battle. Unless you like VTEC.

If my questions constitute "giving anyone a 'hard time'", then that person is a pussy.

Hahaha Jesus man calm down, no need for name calling. But seriously stop asking s*** thats already been answered a hundred times.. So, you say you want proof before you believe right? Well I was pretty sure thats what he has been trying to do... You say you want legible dyno sheets right? Well I'm pretty sure he said that these sheets had some faults before you started bitching. So we can all assume that he just wanted to post those to give us some food for thought now until he gets those mounts fixed and dynos again. And you say you want the real picture right? Here it is... NO ONE LIKES YOU... hehe j/k But instead of arguing with him on something that everyone knows you are never going to care about anyway, why dont you stop giving your advice on this thread... You obviously just want to argue your point... but for what reason? No one in this thread is going to give a rats ass if you cant read the dyno or if you wont believe the gains until "clear before and after runs are shown." most of us will take his dyno, average it out and go from there.. This is after all just a guide for everyone to use. So if you want to get technical.. then why dont you buy a Protege and test it yourself, since you are so quick to refuse everyone elses help.

 

[ProtegePoe]

Personally I think that a standalone ecu will help you get to your goals alot easier.

 

[TheMAN]

1) get a new monitor because everyone can read that crumpled up scan just fine
2) "skimming" over posts is NOT reading... READ EVERY SINGLE WORD
3) he already GOT new motor mounts, why you didn't see that... see 2
4) before and after results are easily readable, your problem.. you're either blind or your monitor sucks
5) SHUT THE **** UP

belittling? Are you a child? read my replies - I asked for LEGIBLE Dyno prints before I believe claims - in order to get the REAL picture of how the header affected his engine, clear before and after runs need to be shown - apart from that happening, we have non-conclusive evidence which shows a power gain. 'peak' power is only HALF the battle. Unless you like VTEC.

If my questions constitute "giving anyone a 'hard time'", then that person is a pussy.

 

[uclap5]

i hope you dont mind. in fact, i hope you are happy i took it upon myself to superimpose the 2 dynos, allowing one to compare curves easier. (tricky since they were on different scale)

BLUE = 1st dyno sans header
RED= 2nd dyno avec header

also attached since ill probably delete it off my account later.

forgive the messiness, but you can read what counts.

enjoy.