S4's are cool, but the ms3 will outhandle it any day, even stock. Awd isn't always faster, just more confidence insipring. If it was faster, every race car in the world would run it and not rwd. but f1, le mans, everyone runs rwd. its superior for speedy handling. rwd>awd>fwd.
Uh...what?
Audi dominated the ALMS for a decade. So many sanctions were imposed because they were in fact, too fast. There is a lot more going on in F1 and Le Mans than just drive-train layout. Aerodynamics and downforce characteristics play probably the biggest factor in the handling ability of F1 cars. AWD systems aren't in place with those vehicles due to weight, size, and really because they don't need it with all the other systems in place.
Another example would be the ETCC and DTM where Audi is not allowed to use their quattro systems. Does that make RWD faster? No, it's just standardized to keep everyone on an even playing field.
Moreover, the current lap record at Tsukuba Circuit is set by an Evo.
It usually helps if you know what you're talking about too. I'd love to see you try and "out-handle" similarly equipped S4. Let me tell you, after running a completely gutted and built protege on road courses, I've never been able to "out-handle" my friends Stasis prepped B5 S4. Stock? Sure, I don't see why not as they are designed for comfort in stock trim. But similarly equipped, they'll leave you in the weeds.
It usually helps if you know what you're talking about too. I'd love to see you try and "out-handle" similarly equipped S4. Let me tell you, after running a completely gutted and built protege on road courses, I've never been able to "out-handle" my friends Stasis prepped B5 S4. Stock? Sure, I don't see why not as they are designed for comfort in stock trim. But similarly equipped, they'll leave you in the weeds.
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073
Here is a link for you, the Lamborghini lp640, the fastest most powerful, most expensive awd car ever available for sale, is only two seconds faster than a 70k chevy. You'll notice every car prior to that is rwd.
Did you know there was more than one class of le mans? how many other classes are "dominated" by awd cars? If awd was the way to build the fastest cars, every sactioning body of racing would make awd the standard. And wtf are you talking about, Tsukuba? Seriously? You watch way to much Best Motoring dude, it's not like Tsukuba is considered the greatest race track in the world. I could name 1,000 tracks that have their fastest time set by rwd cars, what does Tskuba prove? That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard, "Evo is made fast on Tskuba, awd must be teh fastest ever!!"
And what do you mean by similaraly equipped? My ms3 is stock, the ms3 will outhandle the 2001 s4 stock for stock, I gurantee you it would. And who does audi compete with in alms? Creation, Lola, and Zytek. No one puts anywhere near as much money as they do into their class. Ferrari could easily come in and destroy it if they threw a bunch of money at it. F1 is the worlds racing standard, and as long as they use rwd, then rwd>awd. If you wanted to impress me with lap times on important tracks, you would have told me the new gtr ran a 7:38 at the nurburing. Thats only because the thing has like 500 hp though.
So until f1 switches to awd, porches most expensive and fastest models (gt series cars, gt2, gt3, carrera gt), ferrari makes ANY awd car, the mcclaren f1 suddenly becomes awd, and lamborghinis stop getting their asses handed to them by all the above mentioned cars on the nurburing, then I stand by my original statement, rwd>awd>fwd.
p.s., I do know what I am talking about.
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073
Here is a link for you, the Lamborghini lp640, the fastest most powerful, most expensive awd car ever available for sale, is only two seconds faster than a 70k chevy. You'll notice every car prior to that is rwd.
At Nurburing they actually tied. But so what? Tell me you own either, I still wouldn't be impressed. Ever fired a M1A1 tank though? How about a M2 Brad? Or F16 Viper? Do that, and I'm impressed. Apples and oranges, I know- just validating your points. Peace.
Uh...what?
Audi dominated the ALMS for a decade. So many sanctions were imposed because they were in fact, too fast. There is a lot more going on in F1 and Le Mans than just drive-train layout. Aerodynamics and downforce characteristics play probably the biggest factor in the handling ability of F1 cars. AWD systems aren't in place with those vehicles due to weight, size, and really because they don't need it with all the other systems in place.
Another example would be the ETCC and DTM where Audi is not allowed to use their quattro systems. Does that make RWD faster? No, it's just standardized to keep everyone on an even playing field.
Moreover, the current lap record at Tsukuba Circuit is set by an Evo.
It usually helps if you know what you're talking about too. I'd love to see you try and "out-handle" similarly equipped S4. Let me tell you, after running a completely gutted and built protege on road courses, I've never been able to "out-handle" my friends Stasis prepped B5 S4. Stock? Sure, I don't see why not as they are designed for comfort in stock trim. But similarly equipped, they'll leave you in the weeds.
ok, your right. Ferrari doesn't compete in alms because they couldn't win, your a genious. And porsche and ferrari focus on rwd cars because they don't know how to build fast cars.
I never said owning a 240sx makes me smart, i just said ferrari, porche, pagani, mclaren, mercedes and koenessiag are smart, and they build rwd cars. I never said fr cars are the best, the best is probably mid engine, rwd. You race a protege and are trying to knock me for racing one of the most perfectly balanced vehicles ever made (sr20det 240sx), your right, I am the idiot.
Whats wrong with racing Proteges? Probably the most dominate make in the Stock-C class. I've said it a couple times now and it merits repeating. Drive-train layout alone does not determine the capability of a machine. By the way, Ferrari does compete in the ALMS in the GT2 class.
Thats actually prodrive genious, they run a ferrari, not actually ferrari. Keep trying though.
And to the above guy, I was referring to the Lambo lp640, which is the fastest awd car at the nurburing. should have clarified.
You didn't specify. You said Ferrari. Keep trying though? Get real dude. How much seat time have you had? Thought so.