Fan boy number 1, troll,,,lol. First MSP with how many WHP? My daily driver SUV has more power than that. Get off PG's nutz (humpleg)
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Fan boy number 1, troll,,,lol. First MSP with how many WHP? My daily driver SUV has more power than that. Get off PG's nutz (humpleg)
SuperStretch18
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The reason that tuned results are useless to any particular product is that it adds a separate variable that you may or may not be able to replicate on your end. Say for example that Part A produces 50 whp by itself (buy more Part A! LOL). Say tuned, you pull another 10 whp out of it, for a total improvement of 60 whp. Who's to say that you couldn't have pulled another 10 whp without the manifold? Who's to say you will ever be able to replicate that at home? What were they using to tune? Who did they use to tune? What dyno?
Too many variables to be able to use for advertising and would be irrelevant for 99% of customers. Before and after install showing gains are really all that matters. They will always be + or - what you see on your car...
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what are you, in your early 20s? quit acting like a 15 year old (birthday)
if there is as you say "no tuning devise" available, what will you have me tune it with? i guess i'll wait the extra few months for cobb to release street tuner. i don't need to cater to your needs either way. i have fufilled the obligation to the community with the results that have been posted. if you want tuned results for a part on your car, buy the equipment, spend the money and do it. thats what 90% of the enthusiast community would have to do. you have yet to post anything conclusive of substantive other than whining to combat my data. you've already said you aren't going to buy one of these or anything from me, so please enlighten me - when the results matter only to you - why i should go to the effort of tuning it on a system you have already invalidated as not being a solution and paying to dyno it? i don't need to give you anything, get over yourself.
i can make the claim that you don't know what you're talking about because you have so clearly demonstrated that already. i never presumed to know how old you were. the closest i said to that was being in this business longer than most of you had driver's licenses. which means a group of people, not an individual. response like this from you tell me more and more you are not even reading what is written without being close minded and wrong. you've given not a lick of evidence to back up your baseless opinions. you are wrong about the car works, you are wrong about how the part works and are incapable of relinquishing your own pride long enough to state that. if you refer to facts as "excuses", that is your prerogative.
i said this earlier. you have failed and continue to fail doing this.
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Your pretty full of it IMO. I SIMPLY ASK FOR RESULTS FROM A PRODUCT YOU PRODUCE! Can you provide that? Please, no more excuses and more results. Tune it with CPE's stand back for all I care, your the master tuner, remember?
I find it funny you tell ME spend MY money on YOUR parts and test them for YOU. Your a silly vendor, stick to Mazda's my friend, these are the only people who will fall for your ussless guidance.
I find it funny you tell ME spend MY money on YOUR parts and test them for YOU. Your a silly vendor, stick to Mazda's my friend, these are the only people who will fall for your ussless guidance.
dude.... seriously.... stop....
no one wants to hear you complain, no manufacturer shows "tuned gains" so stop bitching and forget about it.
Wow, you must be as un-educated as Mr. PG. Do some research before you spout off. But thats fine, im to the point where I give up on the members on this board. It's amazing how low the knowledge level is on this site compared to the "other" site. (notcool)
he does know his mazda's....far better than anyone i know.
YOU sir are the one who has no clue. you had a fast subaru...not mazda, seriously, you dont know s*** about this car or even basic systems like MAF it would seem. put some s*** on your car and shoe US results ! you b**** about eveyone elses stuff and have contributed nothing. i HAVE mods, i HAVE results, i HAVE dyno proof, i HAVE ecu logs, you have .......?????
Just for reference, REAL shops and manufactures post results, TUNED and untuned.
http://www.airpowersystems.com/us_spec/subaru/sti/2004_sti.htm
http://perrinperformance.com/products/show/384/PERRIN-tuned-AccessPORT-maps?category=43
http://www.full-race.com/dyno_testing.php
http://www.airpowersystems.com/us_spec/subaru/sti/2004_sti.htm
http://perrinperformance.com/products/show/384/PERRIN-tuned-AccessPORT-maps?category=43
http://www.full-race.com/dyno_testing.php
Your typing hurts my eye's. Yes you have mods, yes you have dyno results, yes you refuse to do any tuning and I think thats the dumbest thing ever. Your car is a ticking time bomb, its only a matter of time. But will you have the balls to post up when your car blow's up and you dont know why???
Also, arent you the guy who suggests to add a larger turbo and dont tune for it? "Just add fuel and you will be ok"? LOL LOL LOL WOW
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redrocketz
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wow you came out with 3 companies big fing deal dude go to Borla and find their tuned results for their Headers you wont, or any other big exhaust company they don't give 2 s****. We could show you gains with tuning on a Speed6 and neglect to tell you it has a big turbo and every other mod you can buy.
no.....those are tune shops.... thats how they make a living....come pay us for a tune ! do you think a place that does that is gonna tell you that you dont need it ? you can gain power with a tune, i mean it is common sense man. pull some fuel, add some timing....poof 10HP ! the point is IT IS NOT NEEDED ! and IMO $700 to squeeze out a few more HP is not worth it.
redrocketz
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GOOD.
yep thats me.... what makes you think that just because its pysically bigger it requires a whole new tune ? its boost. the air will come in through the MAF ....the car will see it, the car will add fuel for it (assuming you fuel system can keep up) and the car will watch AFR and keep it in line, or trigger the lean condition fuel cut that it is famous for. its boost...my turbo @20psi or a larger turbo @20psi......=20psi in the manifold= the same amount of fuel.
the idea is to not be a moron and as soon as you bolt up the turbo go and flogg it down the street. drive it around a bit half assed, let the ecu see and adapt to changes. which it does do. i reset my ecu and drive mellow for 10key cycles after every mod on my car. if i do blow up, sure i will be man enough to admit it. but honestly ...if it hasnt blown up yet with 20+psi in below zero temps....it aint gonna !
just like your girlfriend keeps telling dude, dont worry........the size doesnt matter !!(butt)
redrocketz
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actually Neil size does matter not to harp on you but the old analogy of water through a straw and water through a fire hose it takes a lot more water to make the same PSI. 20 pounds on a 3071 with out some sort of tuning will more than likely pop your motor right quick.
mrlilguy157
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i hate this thread.
and what zach said is what is correct. the MAF sensor calculates volumetric airflow, and then the turbo compresses that and feeds it in at any given PSI, 16psi stock on the MAP sensor.
regardless, there is room in which the ECU will adapt with the boost levels, maf readings, and 02 readings, to adjust itself to produce back to specs.
/end thread.
and what zach said is what is correct. the MAF sensor calculates volumetric airflow, and then the turbo compresses that and feeds it in at any given PSI, 16psi stock on the MAP sensor.
regardless, there is room in which the ECU will adapt with the boost levels, maf readings, and 02 readings, to adjust itself to produce back to specs.
/end thread.
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if you don't like it here, you are welcome to leave. you are becoming very predictable in your formula;
1) make flawed statement
2) see intelligent counter argument
3) respond angrily putting words in the others mouth
4) be shut down by more than one member
5) respond by insulting those members
6) whine and bicker and say "i'm done with this thread"
i saw you do it a few other places, at least you are consistently stupid and not just stupid.
i gave you results. those results sold 50 of those manifolds. you don't like them and don't want to buy it, not my problem. i'm not going to pay for what is not needed, especially not for someone who speaks at your level. i don't need business from someone so flagrantly full of their own opinion they are blind to facts. have a nice day.
you were done in this thread a long time ago, champ. congratulations on finally realizing it and coming to your senses.
i too can rattle off a list of websites;
www.injen.com
www.racingbeat.com
www.f5air.com
www.rr-racing.com
www.srmotorsports.com
www.corksport.com
www.cp-e.com
these companies have been producing parts for mazdas, and other vehicles, for quite some time now. none of them provide tuned dyno results for every bolt on they offer. you will find thier contact information on each page so you can call them, tell them how flawed they are, and be systematically shut down by them as you were by me.
lets recap what you didn't do;
1) successfully rebuff any of my data presented
2) make logical statements that prove any of what you are saying
3) point out as asked any vehicle that has failed as a result of my methods
and what you did do;
1) further reinforced my own position by making yourself look stupid
2) put words in my mouth, not actually read my posts, respond and make yourself look stupid
3) proved that you do not understand modern automobile operation and made yourself look stupid
4) said there are no tuning solutions and then asked me to tune with one of those non-solutions. again, making yourself look stupid.
5) said i could get sued for a person modifying and blowing up their car. did i say you were making yourself look stupid?
i sponsor and support the fastest and highest dynoing mazdaspeed proteges, mazdaspeed3s and mazdaspeed6s on this or other forums. not one of those people running into the 12s or dynoing higher than the competition has had a catastrophic failure on one ounce of advice i have given them. i've been in this business for many years, if not in the aftermarket than in the OEM side for mazda, subaru, and chrysler. i have seen how the ECUs adjust under input, how they are programmed, how they are flashed, what works what does not work. when you can do that or do better, come talk to me about knowing anything. until then you are an internet mouthpiece whose most coherent remarks involve "lolz" and all caps words.
Wow, you must be so pissed that I pee'd all in your wheaties you posted twice.
You still have yet to show an REAL data. Look at you, rambling again! You stated no parts suppier posted results, tuned. I proved you wrong then you come up with more excuses and talk in circles.
More typing like your a 15 year old and gibber jabber. Can I please buy some parts from you? Really dude, all you had to do is answer my simple question, but you got sand in your vagina and started to ramble on how you tuned this Mazda and you sponsor that Mazda. I dont care, show some results, show some tuning. Its all I ask. If you cant, just say so.
You still have yet to show an REAL data. Look at you, rambling again! You stated no parts suppier posted results, tuned. I proved you wrong then you come up with more excuses and talk in circles.
More typing like your a 15 year old and gibber jabber. Can I please buy some parts from you? Really dude, all you had to do is answer my simple question, but you got sand in your vagina and started to ramble on how you tuned this Mazda and you sponsor that Mazda. I dont care, show some results, show some tuning. Its all I ask. If you cant, just say so.
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