Anybody tried Sumitomo HTR Z III's yet?

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2010 Mazda5 Sport
Moma's '10 -5 needs new shoes, anybody have any experience with these Sumitomo's? I've had good results with this brand in the past and TireRack has them for $71 each so the price is good at least. But they have a low tread wear rating and the tread pattern looks like a howler to me. Taxes will be in soon so the Black Mamba will get some much needed TLC.
Thanks!
 
I've gone through several sets of HTC ZII and ZIII, on my e30 and e36 BMWs. The best words I would use to describe them is "acceptable", and "cheap as hell". not great or even above average for most things (dry grip, wet grip, noise/comfort) but damn, $70 each, right!

The "cheap as hell" makes up for a lot of performance shortcomings in some cases. The tirerack user surveys rank them mid-pack in their "max performance summer" category, and I usually find the aggregate user surveys to be pretty accurate. But I think that in this particular instance the tires are maybe over rated a bit because people are biased and impressed by their extreme price point/value and inflating the performance numbers, consciously or subconsciously.

When I was driving all over the place to auto-x every weekend, and running some super aggressive alignments, these were my go-to tires when a set of tires only lasted me 10k or *maybe* 15k miles. On a dollar-per-performace scale, these rank super high.

But if you're looking for a summer tire and can afford to spend $450 instead of $280, I'd strongly push you towards the Continental extreme contact DW (not DWS). I liked them well enough to put them on two of my other cars recently. An advantage to the Conti's that not many people know is that Conti's automatically come with road hazard coverage from the manufacturer, like the kind that you pay $17 a tire for at Discount, tirerack, or wherever in case you hit a pothole or get an unrepairable nail or something. Definitely should factor in if you are the type that buys road hazard certificates on tire purchases. Even without the road hazard thing, I would recommend them (I'm not a road hazard guy). I like the Michelin pilot super sports on my mz5 even more, but they are another chunk of change.

tl;dr - HTR ZIII are a great value, but only an adequate tire. If you can find another $150 in the tire budget, you can get a better tire.
 
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I'm running a set of the HTR ZIII's on my 5 now. As mentioned they aren't top tier but for what they cost I'm happy as hell with them. They replaced a set of Conti DWS tires on my current 5. I had a set of the ZIII's on my last 5 also and they replaced a set of Bridgestone Potenza RE045. They lasted about 33k miles with no issues and remained smooth and noise free throughout their life. There are things I like about them more than the DWS but can't compare the summer version DW. Interestingly the DWS got VERY noisy near the last few 32nds of their tread.

To me the DWS was a great all season performance tire. Outstanding in the wet, decent in the dry, smooth and quiet. But they had a little too much squirm. Not as responsive as I'd like. The ZIII's are a little sharper, just as smooth/quiet and handle as well as or better than the Conti's did. They are not that great when cold but not much of an issue if you are closer to the gulf side of LA.

If I needed new tires tomorrow I might be inclined to get another set.
 
ran 'em in some previous cars (the IIs and IIIs) and they're coming up 10 yeras old now? I think in terms of cheapness, they've been replaced by Indo/China tires, and in terms of performance they've fallen far bar. They were also a bit loud, and wore a bit fast. For the last couple of years, I've been running the latest "comfy" summer Falkens which are equally cheap and last a lot longer (obvious).
 
Thanks, Maz-zins for your time/input. I ended up with a set of 215 Cooper Zeon RS3-A's. A GREAT deal from a low friend in a high place along with some fiscal reality from the Boss (thanks, dear) made up my mind (for me...). It helps that afterward I found out Cooper is having a $70 rebate this month on these tires; more welcome spousal approval!

The Zeon's (NOT xenon- think Zeon pig for us old Trekkies) are still breaking in but so far I'm happy. The dreaded Goodyear GT busted-wheel-bearing howl is gone and they track better and are less nervous to the drivers inputs. Stick is comparable to the 'years with the driver giving up loooong before the car does and handling is vice-free which is what I wanted for the family truckster. I might regret it later but they seem like good solid tires.

Thanks again!

MazDin for good, clean tire sliding fun!
 
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