Dave_13_2002
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the 170 is really under rated, the car handles like a dream, Looks good, Good sound system.... okay that is enough I think.
anybody race a nissan spec v in here?
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The old SER's had 140hp, maybe thats why so many of you, including the P5 are doing well. The SpecV has way more torque than the MSP and tons more than the MP3 or P5. I can see the MSP and SpecV being a drivers race but, on paper, the torque should give the SpecV a lead it should be able to keep.
MikeBlueP5
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- 2K2 Protege 5 (Sold) now 08 UrbanRunner
Why is it that all the nissan people come over here and start asking questions about our cars vs their cars, are they insecure or what, I am just trying to understand this. Are they unsure that they made the right decision in buying the sentra. I dont know how many of you guys go to the nissan boards and ask questions about your mazda. I know that I dont for sure. I could give a rats ass what they think about my car, to each their own. If they want to know so much about our car, then pick up a road and track or some other magazine that it was featured in. Im just saying that I thought the point of the forums was to talk to other owners of the same make of yours, not to carry on who beats who, why , how and when. and then to say oh well it must have been stock, you could never win, basically calling you a liar and they dont know you. Im just saying why not stick with your kind and if you wanna see what would happen between a Protege and a Sentra then race one.
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woa there, im not comeing to this board to be flamed or anything, im here because i like the mazdaspeed alot, and im not second guessing my spec for a second, i just like to know more about cars that i like such as the mazdaspeed, so in return would like to know how i would do against one if i ran one. thats the extent why im here. i shouldnt have to just stay ona nissan board becuase i have one. and by the way im not writing the negative stuff, if the speed is faster who cares there both nice cars.. but i do still think through the 1/4 mile its a drivers race, but from what i here the speed will pull from there.. comeon guys no flameing this forums are for info and fun!!!MikeBlueP5 said:
syn_lube_nut
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I have read that when the MSP is dynoed it reads about 170hp at the WHEELS, not at the crank. That means, I assume, that the horsepower output at the crank is about 200. But well have to wait and see what the numbers are when you MSP owners finally start the synoing! Now, get to it!! If, this is true, then it would explain why people say that the MSP has more power than it does and why its quicker than the SpecV. Only time will tell.
syn_lube_nut
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I stand corrected then! Ole'!
syn_lube_nut
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Ive got a friend of mine that has a SpecV and if heard me say this would kill me but...
I've ridden in, and driven his car and all I can say is that albeit it is fast, the car itself is built like crap! I know it being built in Mexico may have something to do with it but, the materials used is that which the Saturn's have in them! The plastics are easily scratchable and look cheap.
Now, the Protege', even my Pro5 is built better an is of way better material quality than a SpecV and even though its slower id take it, especially the MSP! I am just not that impressed with the SpecV. Especially the engine. Although it does sound pretty good, its way to large for me. I still cant figure out what Nissan was thnking when they made this engine:mad:!
I've ridden in, and driven his car and all I can say is that albeit it is fast, the car itself is built like crap! I know it being built in Mexico may have something to do with it but, the materials used is that which the Saturn's have in them! The plastics are easily scratchable and look cheap.
Now, the Protege', even my Pro5 is built better an is of way better material quality than a SpecV and even though its slower id take it, especially the MSP! I am just not that impressed with the SpecV. Especially the engine. Although it does sound pretty good, its way to large for me. I still cant figure out what Nissan was thnking when they made this engine:mad:!
Easy - take the 3.5L V6 that they throw into most of their cars and chop off two cylinders. Its cheap and it works. It is a bit thristy though, since its pretty big for a 4-banger. And the balance shaft absorbs a lot of horsepower (but removing it voids your warranty).
If I could change it, I'd give it 1000 more revs until redline, and some good top-end breathing.
If I could change it, I'd give it 1000 more revs until redline, and some good top-end breathing.
OK, lets go with SCC's numbers and the fact that they got a beat up 02 Spec to test instead of a fresh new 03, which is rumoured to have many improvements overall.
SpecV 154ftlbs / 146hp @ the wheels
MSP 150ftlbs / 150hp @ the wheels
Considering that I have seen some 03 Specs dyno over 150hp and close to 160 ft lbs, it seems reasonable to say that it still has an advantage. Also the fact that it is listed as 100-130lbs lighter that would still put it out ahead. No it doesn't handle or brake as well as the MSP but it is 3k less canadian. For a thousand bucks it could be made to handle as well.
One thing I noticed while reading the 8 best article as well, was that the SRT has 205/50zr tires mounted to a 17x6 rim. The MSP has a 215/45zr mounted to a 17x7 rim. I would suspect that the SRT would be a little closer to the MSP in handling test's if Dodge had it equipped it in a similar fashion.
SpecV 154ftlbs / 146hp @ the wheels
MSP 150ftlbs / 150hp @ the wheels
Considering that I have seen some 03 Specs dyno over 150hp and close to 160 ft lbs, it seems reasonable to say that it still has an advantage. Also the fact that it is listed as 100-130lbs lighter that would still put it out ahead. No it doesn't handle or brake as well as the MSP but it is 3k less canadian. For a thousand bucks it could be made to handle as well.
One thing I noticed while reading the 8 best article as well, was that the SRT has 205/50zr tires mounted to a 17x6 rim. The MSP has a 215/45zr mounted to a 17x7 rim. I would suspect that the SRT would be a little closer to the MSP in handling test's if Dodge had it equipped it in a similar fashion.
I noticed too that a few Spec drivers have said with just an intake the car wakes up a lot at the higher revs, but exhaust hasn't seemed to make as large a difference. I would suspect that going too big with the piping would lose you a little torque so the "butt dyno" would register small gains.
Raced Both
With all the talk about the build qualities and the speed, horsepower and torque, it really doesn't matter, it is a matter of what the cars was built to do, and that is TURN.
I own a 2002 Spec V, and I've had plenty of seat time in SpicyMSP's Mazdaspeed. I will state right now that the MSP will outhandle the Spec V ANY DAY! Now down to the details.
Straight line acceleration:
The MSP falls short compared to my Spec V, we've done both rolling starts and fully stopped launches. One I get up to 3rd gear the Spec pulls ahead and holds off the MSP past 110mph.
Braking:
The MSP takes the cake here. Although my Spec V has extreme stopping power, I can feel the brakes fading and locking up easily under extreme usage. In the MSP I ran it through rigorous ABS braking, trail braking, and normal braking and no signs of fade or wear. The ABS is incredible and does not defer you from taking hard turns and rotating with the brakes.
Cornering:
MSP All the way. There is absolutely NO body roll in this car, it feels solid while cruising and superb when tossing it around like a rag doll. This car has SO much grip the road was coming apart trying to hold it. And although my Spec corners very well it loses a lot of its "feelign" with body roll and understeer. While the spec is easier to get sideways, the MSP will be passing it while its on its way to the finish.
Build Quality:
It is true that the Spec is built like a cheap toy. I get numerous rattles and squeaks out of it. The plastic panels are kinda cheesy, but the car is a beast for the cost. The paint is terrible, the interior is "nice" to look at but lacks bolster and support for the lower back. The MSP has a very nice build to it, everything is secure, and stands out in a shining manner. The interior holds the driver and passenger well and looks good doing it. The gauges are nice and the stereo bumps along.
Price:
I paid 16,700 for my spec.... Not a bad deal for something that can compete with this beautiful limited edition car. But if I had the opportunity at the time to get the 20,500 MSP I would have in a heartbeat. The car is amazing, and is well worth the extra money, even if it isn't as "fast" or "torquey" as the Spec V.
Bottom Line:
Everyone has their opinion, and will always choose the car that they prefer. I love both the cars and think they are excellent rivals. We can only wait for what the aftermarket has to show for us both. But from the factory you can't beat this car and what it comes with.
Thanks for your time,
With all the talk about the build qualities and the speed, horsepower and torque, it really doesn't matter, it is a matter of what the cars was built to do, and that is TURN.
I own a 2002 Spec V, and I've had plenty of seat time in SpicyMSP's Mazdaspeed. I will state right now that the MSP will outhandle the Spec V ANY DAY! Now down to the details.
Straight line acceleration:
The MSP falls short compared to my Spec V, we've done both rolling starts and fully stopped launches. One I get up to 3rd gear the Spec pulls ahead and holds off the MSP past 110mph.
Braking:
The MSP takes the cake here. Although my Spec V has extreme stopping power, I can feel the brakes fading and locking up easily under extreme usage. In the MSP I ran it through rigorous ABS braking, trail braking, and normal braking and no signs of fade or wear. The ABS is incredible and does not defer you from taking hard turns and rotating with the brakes.
Cornering:
MSP All the way. There is absolutely NO body roll in this car, it feels solid while cruising and superb when tossing it around like a rag doll. This car has SO much grip the road was coming apart trying to hold it. And although my Spec corners very well it loses a lot of its "feelign" with body roll and understeer. While the spec is easier to get sideways, the MSP will be passing it while its on its way to the finish.
Build Quality:
It is true that the Spec is built like a cheap toy. I get numerous rattles and squeaks out of it. The plastic panels are kinda cheesy, but the car is a beast for the cost. The paint is terrible, the interior is "nice" to look at but lacks bolster and support for the lower back. The MSP has a very nice build to it, everything is secure, and stands out in a shining manner. The interior holds the driver and passenger well and looks good doing it. The gauges are nice and the stereo bumps along.
Price:
I paid 16,700 for my spec.... Not a bad deal for something that can compete with this beautiful limited edition car. But if I had the opportunity at the time to get the 20,500 MSP I would have in a heartbeat. The car is amazing, and is well worth the extra money, even if it isn't as "fast" or "torquey" as the Spec V.
Bottom Line:
Everyone has their opinion, and will always choose the car that they prefer. I love both the cars and think they are excellent rivals. We can only wait for what the aftermarket has to show for us both. But from the factory you can't beat this car and what it comes with.
Thanks for your time,
