Any photographers in here?

Ask them how large the ad will be, ie one page ad, and how large the image on the advertisement is. It's your call as to how much you want to charge. You can go low and hope for more future business or charge high but risk them not buying the photo.

If they were to higher a studio and bring in a pro, they would be charged around $2000-2500 but in this market, there are so many amateur photographers that are willing to undercut the pros, it's tougher to get paid gigs.

Gotcha. They seem pretty set on wanting this photo, so i think they're negotiate with me. I mean, if I get $500 I'd be happy, but maybe I should aim for closer to $1000 and be willing to negotiate downwards with them. With the research I was doing, I assumed it was going to be a 1/4 page / spot ad, so I guess it all goes upwards from there.

Should I take into account that they want to put it into 2 different publications and to use it for their booth and how should I account for that?

Thanks again guys.

-Jeff
 
Gotcha. They seem pretty set on wanting this photo, so i think they're negotiate with me. I mean, if I get $500 I'd be happy, but maybe I should aim for closer to $1000 and be willing to negotiate downwards with them. With the research I was doing, I assumed it was going to be a 1/4 page / spot ad, so I guess it all goes upwards from there.

Should I take into account that they want to put it into 2 different publications and to use it for their booth and how should I account for that?

Thanks again guys.

-Jeff

Hi Jeff,
I'm not a pro photog but I am a professional freelancer in another industry and I will say this - don't sell your work cheap just to get it used. You want to be hired because your work is good not because you are cheap. Plus, once you represent yourself as the guy who works for little money, it's hard to change that perception. Even though you would be happy with less money in the short term, you'll be unhappy in the long term. Let's say the going rate for what they are wanting usage for is $1500. You say you'd be happy with $500, but what happens two years from now when the client is tired of paying $500 and wants to only pay $200? Not only are you hurting yourself in the long run, you're also hurting the pros who worked so long at getting the current prices where they are.

I know you said you are an amateur, so maybe you feel awkward about receiving, or asking for, what seems like a large amount of money. Remember, they want your photo, not you. An image is worth what it's worth.

I've been in my industry for a decade now and I've seen guys try to break in by undercutting everybody's rates. Often they do succeed in getting work, but they end up washing out after a year or so because they can't get their rates up to what everybody else is getting and the client ends up working them like dogs for what little they are paying.

If you still need help determining the rate, I do have a couple of friends who are pro photogs and I could email them to see what they would suggest.

Congratulations!!
 
Wow, that's excellent advise! I'm waiting to hear back from this company to see what they are offering, and am going to move on from there. Most of the stock photo price calculators I've used are telling me to charge $350 - $600 per application ($1200-1500 total), so depending on what they bring to the table, maybe I can negotiate up into that range.

You are right, I do feel awkward receiving compensation for something that I have only done as a pleasurable hobby. On the other hand, this seems like a good opportunity to maybe make a few dollars on the side for something that I like to do anyways.

If this deal with them goes through, how do you suggest I go about getting more work from them? In other words, how do I take advantage of this initial exposure?

Thanks again,

Jeff
 
Hi Jeff,
I'm not a pro photog but I am a professional freelancer in another industry and I will say this - don't sell your work cheap just to get it used. You want to be hired because your work is good not because you are cheap. Plus, once you represent yourself as the guy who works for little money, it's hard to change that perception. Even though you would be happy with less money in the short term, you'll be unhappy in the long term. Let's say the going rate for what they are wanting usage for is $1500. You say you'd be happy with $500, but what happens two years from now when the client is tired of paying $500 and wants to only pay $200? Not only are you hurting yourself in the long run, you're also hurting the pros who worked so long at getting the current prices where they are.

I know you said you are an amateur, so maybe you feel awkward about receiving, or asking for, what seems like a large amount of money. Remember, they want your photo, not you. An image is worth what it's worth.

I've been in my industry for a decade now and I've seen guys try to break in by undercutting everybody's rates. Often they do succeed in getting work, but they end up washing out after a year or so because they can't get their rates up to what everybody else is getting and the client ends up working them like dogs for what little they are paying.

This is a situation which is plaguing the photography industry right now. Micro-stock and other new forms of image sales are eroding the fees photographers can receive while at the same time greatly increasing breadth and depth of use.

For example, the plane manufacturer says we'll use this in "one ad", but what they mean is in a single campaign which appears in print, collateral, and online.

I don't have any good (and simple) advise. For more information and a reinforcing perspective, head over to John Harrington's blog [http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/] for current events in the business of photography. He is a major advocate for the type of industry "scale" which pays a photographer a standard amount based on an image's usage parameters. He also literally wrote the book on the business of photography: https://www.amazon.com/dp/ (commissions earned)

Congratulations on your promotion to Professional!
 
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Thanks a bunch guys! Unfortunately, I gave them a price and it looks like they are going to go with someone else who low-balled it. I've learned a lot from this brief foray though. Photography has always been a hobby of mine for pleasure only, but now that I know there is an opportunity to make a few extra dollars on the side, I might look into it as a part time thing.

I really appreciate the support guys and all the advise you have given me over the last couple of days. Hopefully more opportunities will arise in the future.

-Jeff
 
Thanks man! I guess you noticed I now have 5 lugs :)

I did buddy... looks great. You'll have to tell me about it sometime.

Here's one of my latest shots. Taken today at the "Turkey Bowl" vintage races at Summit Point. My dad's friend Joe in his Brabahm:

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-Jeff
 
Hey, quick question guys, I was just contacted by an advertising agency to use one of my photos from the internet site airliners.net: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0957232/L/ . The guy specifically asked me for a price quote for the usage rights. Well I'm just an amateur and have no idea what the going rates are...

He says: "it will be used primarily in one magazine ad for national release in AirMaintenance Update and AIN magazines. The client will also want to use the image as a large graphic in their trade show booth."

This is pretty exciting since I have never been paid for my photography before but have no idea where to go from here. Any help from you experts out there would be great!

-Jeff

Thats fantastic. My biggest circulation size was 1.5 million but I didn't make that much because the photo was a stock photo and the marketing firm had to purchase 2 extended licenses but it was the stock photography website that made the bucks so its good you have been approached independently. I've since stopped adding anymore to the stock sites because it just sets a precedent.

Congrats.
 
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some birds from today

1) hmm I wonder whats in the feeder
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2) the one in the back is saying hey got off my rock buddy
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3) pfff I am bigger than you I am staying here and ignoring you

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4) oh well I moved to a different rock, I think I need a diet, and a feather combing

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5) looks like someone missed some food

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6) can you help me get this seed off my nose ?

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7) almost makes it feel like xmas

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8 ) just posing
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I love those bird shots. -drool-

I am too lazy to read through 142 pages to see if this was stated before, but what cam and lens combo are you using for those shots?
 
awesome pics. I just find it hilarious how distressed #6 (seed on nose) looks, like the poor guy's just at his wits end to get that thing off lol
 
hey all,
I have a favor to ask. I am going to be taking some photos of some products for a clients website. Any pointers on how to shoot some good product shots on a white backdrop? I'm looking for things like studio setup...ie backdrop material, layout, lighting, etc...
 
hey all,
I have a favor to ask. I am going to be taking some photos of some products for a clients website. Any pointers on how to shoot some good product shots on a white backdrop? I'm looking for things like studio setup...ie backdrop material, layout, lighting, etc...


Umbrellas or diffusers. You want as little shadow as possible. So bigger/more diffused the light source, the less shadow.
 
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