another stupid question from an ameture

[chkmgnt58]

so, since i'm not exactly motor savvy, i'll just ask for joe or ion or spool's take on how to do this:
i want to have my msp pushing 230-250whp (my goal is to shut up all those srt, wrx, and stang gt owners out there). Now i know that with the right amount of money anything is possible, but i want to know the easiest and more importantly, safest, way of achieving these goals. any input would be helpful, and i know that our car isnt built for drag racing, but why have all the handling if you cant beat a stupid mustang cost isnt that big of a factor, though lets try and not go too crazy.

thanks again

 

[LinuxRacr]

Questions are only stupid when they aren't asked, or when the answer is blatntly obvious.

The easiest way I could think of for you would be to get 2-step colder plugs, http://flyinmiata.com/protege/index.php?action=product&itemid=85441

Next I would get some type of piggy-back tunning system so you can actively control your fuel and timing controls. You would be able to safely turn up the boost, and desimate your foes.

 

[AGR]

amateur

 

[1sty]

so, since i'm not exactly motor savvy, i'll just ask for joe or ion or spool's take on how to do this:
i want to have my msp pushing 230-250whp (my goal is to shut up all those srt, wrx, and stang gt owners out there). Now i know that with the right amount of money anything is possible, but i want to know the easiest and more importantly, safest, way of achieving these goals. any input would be helpful, and i know that our car isnt built for drag racing, but why have all the handling if you cant beat a stupid mustang cost isnt that big of a factor, though lets try and not go too crazy.

thanks again

As with any protege expect to build the engine over entirely with forged internals. Also you will be removing every aspect of the factory turbo. ALL OF IT. Everything needs replacing. Adding a piggy back or Stand alone engine management system is definitly necessary. The benifit is the MSp has the LSD to better handle the traction concerns.

The clutch and flywheel need to be replaced with some seriously heavy duty units. Even my clutch master stage one, slips a bit and I am only around 180 whp. Even bigger front drive peices may be needed.

As for beating an SRT, it is possible but keep in mind that thing runs high 12's with only the $400 stage one upgrade. If your looking to pull up next to a SRT/4 and take him on the street then you will need several thousand into the car to even hang if they have a stage 1. If they have a stage 2, Your screwed. Keep in mind the MSP was in no way intended to run fast 1/4 miles like the dodge was. Now take it to an autocross and the actualy purpose of the MSp can come to the surface.

Also consider even 2 years post MP3 release, I have yet to see a car dyno consistantly to above 250 whp. The realibilty of the tranny is just not known nor is that of most of the car even after being rebuit totaly.

 

[II-Savy]

..........in other words buy a different car. Starting with a 170hp car is prolly not the best thing to do. At the end of all of your mods you will have a different car.

 

[1sty]

For the goal of outrunning a car in a drag race that was build for drag racing in a car that was built for autocrossing, I would have to agree. The MSP or any protege is the wrong car for that application

 

[II-Savy]

Exactly, like if you had a guitar and you wanted it to sound like X. Then you say, yea...just replace all three pickups, get a better bridge, take off the neck and add strength, then you need better pots for control, then the turners are old so replace those also. It's just too much to do to get that much more out of it.

 

[scoobiesport]

Re: Re: another stupid question from an ameture

As for beating an SRT, it is possible but keep in mind that thing runs high 12's with only the $400 stage one upgrade. If your looking to pull up next to a SRT/4 and take him on the street then you will need several thousand into the car to even hang if they have a stage 1. If they have a stage 2, Your screwed. Keep in mind the MSP was in no way intended to run fast 1/4 miles like the dodge was.

Correct me if I am wrong but I belive the fastest privetly own Srt-4 is only high 12s. Pretty damn good for a 19k car.She is running:



Mopar Stage 1
REX motor mount inserts
TXS blow off valve
AGP wastegate actuator
ATP upper pressure pipe
Screamin Demon coil
Crane Fire wires
160 t-stat
CTI 3" turbo back exhaust

205/50/15 BFG drag radials on 15" Rota Subzero wheels

Boost 19 psi

http://fastattack.org/srtgurl/SRTGURLvsSTi.wmv

Here is a link to her 12sec vid...

 

[1sty]

I believe shes the fastest female driver although I don't know if she is the fastest in the the coutry yet.

 

[scoobiesport]

There are faster but they are owned by tunning shops or companies...

 

[YuYuRena]

so, since i'm not exactly motor savvy, i'll just ask for joe or ion or spool's take on how to do this:
i want to have my msp pushing 230-250whp (my goal is to shut up all those srt, wrx, and stang gt owners out there). Now i know that with the right amount of money anything is possible, but i want to know the easiest and more importantly, safest, way of achieving these goals. any input would be helpful, and i know that our car isnt built for drag racing, but why have all the handling if you cant beat a stupid mustang cost isnt that big of a factor, though lets try and not go too crazy.

thanks again

Actually you already can beat a mustang. the stock v6 auto mustang is very beatable. And any of the mustang can be beat on a very tight course. The wrx is also beatable since it's viscous clutch and awd can cause the car to understeer in the limit and crab. This is an exact word from my friend how owns a 1.8 impreza converted to 2.5RS engine with STi transmission and drivetrain.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

it won't take all that much to get into the 200whp range. 12psi of boost will bring you up to 190+whp. add a full 3" turboback exhaust with awesome flow charactartistics and that should net about 20-30whp. add the injen (10-15hp 5-10whp) and you are easily into the 220whp range. iON's fmic has dynoed a 20whp gain as well. a rough total would be about 240whp. joe actually got into the 260whp range with 18psi, plugs and 3"dpback (ofcourse all his upgrade stuff). there is IMMENSE potential in this car. btw, these are my plans for boltons. in the future, i will have a piggyback as well. good luck.

 

[1sty]

Try finding the read out of those dynos with a baseline run to compare.
Also I believe joe was running Racing gas to get up that high.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

yeah he was running race gas. he also pushed the turbo to the point right b4 inefficiency. i believe the octane was 116, but i'm not sure.

i am goin by the baseline vs. after-mod dynos on my estimates. as for the injen, i'm not sure if they measured the 10-15hp gain at the crank or at the wheels, so i assumed that it was at the crank. iON's dyno DID prove a 20+whp gain. the majority of 3" turboback exhausts prove anywhere from 20-72hp gains (estimates only, as not all owners of 3" systems have dynoed. magnus showed the best dyno of +72whp get a hold of xsvspd(?) or logan for first hand reviews of the magnus). i'm also NOT including the obvious fcd, plugs, boost controler and guages.

 

[1sty]

Actualy Magnus never baselined the car. They compared to SCC dyno.

Dyno to dyno can show a huge difference.

The protege which likely has the most power is Got Zoom who is snapping parts at this point. I believe it s a drag car at this point though.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

Actualy Magnus never baselined the car. They compared to SCC dyno.

Dyno to dyno can show a huge difference.

The protege which likely has the most power is Got Zoom who is snapping parts at this point. I believe it s a drag car at this point though.

i thought that was pro 5? (shrug) oh well.

if i recall correctly, the scc dyno showed ~250-260 and their dyno with the exhaust showed a jump to ~230whp. but there was soooooooo much bs and flame in that thread that i couldn't make anything out.

 

[1sty]

The problem was that by simply physics alone the claim was impossible. They never did a base line run. And I believe you mean 150 that SCC got

Yes got boost has a P5

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

The problem was that by simply physics alone the claim was impossible. They never did a base line run. And I believe you mean 150 that SCC got

Yes got boost has a P5

hehehe i wish i ment what i said.... yeah i ment 150

and i thought it was pro5, the guy pro5 that had the fastest protege on the board?

but if a 2.5" exhaust can show gains of 16whp, i'm betting that a 3" could show at least a 20hp gain.

 

[1sty]

Depends on the car but with the 1st cats still in place a 3" won't do dick more then a 2.5".
Drop them both and maybe you will see that much of a difference but only if the car is really generating that much exhuast gas.
20hp is very believable from a 3" exhuast, 72 hp is not!

Pro5 is right up there aswell. Both of them have sig power for a protege, and they both keep going for more (usa)

 

[mp3moose]

Piping size isn't everything. 3" isn't necessarily better then 2.5. Horsepower doesn't just increase with piping diameter or everyone would run 5" pipes. In some cases too large of a diameter can decrease power. I think that with the protege's small displacement that 2.5 would be sufficent.

That said, the protege piping is too small for turbocharged applications.

Moose