Another SMIC ???
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i was intersted in one of the smics, but the thing is $500 US is alot. I realize that they take forever to make and are quite hard to do, but the bang for the buck isnt there IMO, alot of people will agree that an upgraded smic is definately something to look into rather than a fmic, but I know for me anyways the cash is better spent elsewhere. Maybe a cost effective smic would be worth looking into?
I personally don't believe that a FMIC will be more efficient than a SMIC for my setup. People are looking at the SMIC and wondering why its so expensive. SMIC and hardpipes setup is roughly $1K with BOV. FMIC averages around the same price across the board on all manufactuers for hardpipes and a BOV (yes, I am aware of the price of a hiboost kit, iON's FMIC does not come with a BOV). The size of the IC core is pretty much the same for the FMIC and SMIC, and the end tanks welded on cost the same, since the only thing different is length, which is irrelevant when welding on end tanks. Along with the FMIC, you get a few more pipes and silicone connectors, but I doubt those cost much more. Price-wise, it should cost about the same, because the biggest cost is the IC itself, which are not that much bigger in size, just mounted in different locations.
Turbohoses
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jaxmsp said:
When we first started this project, there weren't many options for a SMIC. However, since we've done much if not all of the R&D, most companies will "try" to use our information to aid in their own products. As we expected, more companies have decided that there is a market for the SMIC since our publication on this forum.
As we expected, some people will not believe our dyno numbers, so we also had an independant company dyno the vehicle for us while we only datalogged and made notes. Also, we posted that our tests were done with our piping kit, which also changes the end result.
We do our best to provide quality products and earn the business of all the communities we develope parts for. Hopefully, if our intercoolers are popular, we can continue on to further projects.
Turbohoses R&D
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Turbohoses
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Bhamsan said:
You are more than welcome to stop by our shop in San Ramon.
Give us a call and let us know when you'd like to stop by.
In a few weeks, we will be moving our warehouse and fabrication dept. to our new 6000 sq. ft. facility in Livermore.
We look forward to meeting you.
Turbohoses R&D
is it just me or does the picture show a bar and plate style ic....the info says tube and fin..
StreetUnit
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tube in fin is a no-no.
Thats my 2 cents, I will let you guys test away.
Thats my 2 cents, I will let you guys test away.
Information provided
Ok ... i just finished reading about 100 emails and found one in there from the makers of this IC. It seems that whatever they have going on, they are not going to release the IC to me for testing and they dont seem to want to give out their information on the IC either. I think they have some deal with MazdaNA on these things, and maybe were being considered as offering this part direct through mazda as an upgrade to our cars. They are very hush hush about it (which makes me nervous and confident all at the same time). They appear to have been R+Ding this IC for quite some time now, and maybe even was the start for some others (CS???). The guy assues me that the IC will perform the same or better than the others being sold today ... why dont i stop paraphrasing and just post the email already:
Chad,
There are features and data about the unit that we would rather not divulge. What I can tell you is that I personally have no doubt that this unit will outperform any other similar unit on the market. For us, controlled testing is expensive and difficult to empirically measure with turbocharged cars. Preferably we like certain product development to be done on the engine dyno, but for the cost rewards? There are many variables to account for (octane, charge pressure/atmospheric conditions, elevation...etc.). If you know what similar systems are making, this would give you some reference to similar results. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the other companies used our product to produce there own. I can tell you that everyone including one MazdaSpeed engineer (real world data logging testing) has told us they are more that satisfied with our system and proudly feature it.
Sorry I can't give you systems for testing...as with any of our products, we have a satisfaction and manufacturing guarantee.
Max Rev Core dimensions are 11 x 6 x 3 inches. Please feel free to use the attached pictures....
All the best,
Brian M. Day
Max Rev, Inc.
I think im going to get one of these and do tests and then if you all are interested we can go from there. I am going to try to explain to him one more time that without dyno data and pressure drop data, selling these is going to be rather difficult.
Here goes nothing.
Ok ... i just finished reading about 100 emails and found one in there from the makers of this IC. It seems that whatever they have going on, they are not going to release the IC to me for testing and they dont seem to want to give out their information on the IC either. I think they have some deal with MazdaNA on these things, and maybe were being considered as offering this part direct through mazda as an upgrade to our cars. They are very hush hush about it (which makes me nervous and confident all at the same time). They appear to have been R+Ding this IC for quite some time now, and maybe even was the start for some others (CS???). The guy assues me that the IC will perform the same or better than the others being sold today ... why dont i stop paraphrasing and just post the email already:
Chad,
There are features and data about the unit that we would rather not divulge. What I can tell you is that I personally have no doubt that this unit will outperform any other similar unit on the market. For us, controlled testing is expensive and difficult to empirically measure with turbocharged cars. Preferably we like certain product development to be done on the engine dyno, but for the cost rewards? There are many variables to account for (octane, charge pressure/atmospheric conditions, elevation...etc.). If you know what similar systems are making, this would give you some reference to similar results. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the other companies used our product to produce there own. I can tell you that everyone including one MazdaSpeed engineer (real world data logging testing) has told us they are more that satisfied with our system and proudly feature it.
Sorry I can't give you systems for testing...as with any of our products, we have a satisfaction and manufacturing guarantee.
Max Rev Core dimensions are 11 x 6 x 3 inches. Please feel free to use the attached pictures....
All the best,
Brian M. Day
Max Rev, Inc.
I think im going to get one of these and do tests and then if you all are interested we can go from there. I am going to try to explain to him one more time that without dyno data and pressure drop data, selling these is going to be rather difficult.
Here goes nothing.
Turbohoses
Member
jaxmsp said:
Unfortunately, I am unable to provide any additional information at this point. The data that we've provided exceeds what most companies will provide. Once the information is warranted, we will gladly give additonal information where it is deemed necessary.
We were obviously not the first company to develope a SMIC. However, we believe that are tested product does currently lead the pack. Also, there are a few details that we only exposed to our "customers" that pre-purchased the IC that made them extremely happy they made they choice they did.
Turbohoses R&D
Turbohoses said:
Turbohoses ... dont take this the wrong way ... but you are doing the same thing that Max-Rev is doing. You all are hiding something from us, what the hell is so top secret that you cant share it with the group. Are ICs really that closely guarded of a secret? Is there something up with this SMIC that is making it a mater of national security? One thing that keeps coming to mind is that all these SMIC look exactly the same... i mean exactly. The CS one and the Max-Rev one side by side would be indestinguashable. I have never seen the Turbohoses one close up, but i would venture to guess that it is very close as well. I value your company as being one of the absolute best makers of parts out there right now (for the MSP), but can you shed some light on what is going on with all this hush hush ... secret BS?
