Air to Water MSP Inside

[Brian MP5T]

i agree, its heavy but for what i do with the car i think its the best solution for me. plus i like to be different.i dont know how to calculate pressure drop but on the spearcos site it says its .15psi @ 30psi (seems like a high psi but it says its performance data is at 30psi so i dunno).

Their number does seem high and the reason I ask was the size of the core is small. I believe that the number is accurate. I am interested to hear about your results. I went with a huge FMIC because I was worried about heastoak and pressure drop. I knew that I would be trading throttle response for it but I honestly don't think that the lost time in charging the volume is much diferent. Taking the compressor flowrate vs. the volume of the intake, if calculated works out to be 0.17 seconds from a dead idle for my setup, and as everyone knows... I have alot of intake, but most of it is far away from heat.

Again... Awesome idea, you are totally correct with your statement that it is a much more effecient design. It will hold constant temperatures much better than an FMIC.

 

[terbow]

i appreciate it. i dont think its a good idea for everyone, air/air is certainly, less money, easier to setup and probably better for daily driving unless u spend alot like i did to make it just as/lil more efficient.

Their number does seem high and the reason I ask was the size of the core is small. I believe that the number is accurate. I am interested to hear about your results. I went with a huge FMIC because I was worried about heastoak and pressure drop. I knew that I would be trading throttle response for it but I honestly don't think that the lost time in charging the volume is much diferent. Taking the compressor flowrate vs. the volume of the intake, if calculated works out to be 0.17 seconds from a dead idle for my setup, and as everyone knows... I have alot of intake, but most of it is far away from heat.

Again... Awesome idea, you are totally correct with your statement that it is a much more effecient design. It will hold constant temperatures much better than an FMIC.

 

[ND4MSP]

Have you ran through a tank of water yet? I does consume the water right? Props for trying this. I've got this crazy idea to run no IC using water injection. This would prob be under 10psi of boost. I'm don't want to do it because I don't want to stare at a air intake gauge all day worried about if a pumps going to fail and waiting for detonation. Emagine how clean an engine bay that would be.

 

[Crazee D]

What about temp drop and effectiveness of the heat exchanger?
So in order to avoid heat soak the water needs a cooling system, right?
It's like we're back to air cooling again to cool the water cooling system.
Is the heat exchanger just like a radiator style w/ or w/o a fan like for trannys, oil and whateva?

 

[Ryoga28]

Have you ran through a tank of water yet? I does consume the water right? Props for trying this. I've got this crazy idea to run no IC using water injection. This would prob be under 10psi of boost. I'm don't want to do it because I don't want to stare at a air intake gauge all day worried about if a pumps going to fail and waiting for detonation. Emagine how clean an engine bay that would be.

I thought the air to water IC just recirculates the water.

 

[ND4MSP]

Actually I think your correct. I'm not really up on this setup yet

 

[69RMSP]

It does, but if the bump fails it wont.

I thought the air to water IC just recirculates the water.

 

[terbow]

What about temp drop and effectiveness of the heat exchanger?
So in order to avoid heat soak the water needs a cooling system, right?
It's like we're back to air cooling again to cool the water cooling system.
Is the heat exchanger just like a radiator style w/ or w/o a fan like for trannys, oil and whateva?

yes in order to avoid heat soak you need a minimum sized heat exchanger. you can use the oil and trans ones buy they arent relly up to the job though. radiator technology is prefered (kinda looks like a fmic core). u can use a fan if u like also.

 

[Rainman]

B E A utiful! Nice work. I think the fact that no one else has one makes it even more amazing.

I had considered this path several times, but it just seemed too expensive and involved to be effective for me.

I would love to try it on a project car in the future.

R

 

[jeffmsp]

would it make sense to use something like methenol rather than water to get increased cooling effect?

 

[smo0f]

i'm not sure if you took any sort of chemistry at all, but methanol would have to be compressed, not being pumped through, considering it's a volatile poisonous and flammable gas

 

[Metal MP5]

hehe yeah not sure methanol is a good idea

 

[FlyinMSP]

I've always wanted a Laminova-like exchanger! Since you're already dealing with a water (coolant) system, why not add in a water-injection system that could be triggered by temperature (or pressure, or other)? That could take care of the occasional heat-soak. It's just an idea...

 

[Focus]

i'm not sure if you took any sort of chemistry at all, but methanol would have to be compressed, not being pumped through, considering it's a volatile poisonous and flammable gas

Do you even know what you are talking about ?

First of all it's not a gas, it's a liquid.
Second, what are you saying compressed? Do you compress gasoline in your car ? Because Last I checked, Gasoline is also a volatile poisonous and flammable liquid.

 

[smo0f]

so connect something to a water reservoir that takes water out, but doesn't put it back in. hmm. doesn't seem like a great idea either.

why not just hire someone to sit on the hood of the car as you drive to spray a fmic with chilled perrier. i guarantee that would work better

 

[Kansei]

He was probably thinking methane

 

[smo0f]

Do you even know what you are talking about ?

First of all it's not a gas, it's a liquid.
Second, what are you saying compressed? Do you compress gasoline in your car ? Because Last I checked, Gasoline is also a volatile poisonous and flammable liquid.

whoops, i meant liquid. but either way, methanol boils at 65 deg celcius if i'm not mistaken, thus, in most conditions, under the hood, it'll end up being a gas, unless in a closed system, such as compression, in order for it to remain a liquid.

 

[Focus]

so connect something to a water reservoir that takes water out, but doesn't put it back in. hmm. doesn't seem like a great idea either.

why not just hire someone to sit on the hood of the car as you drive to spray a fmic with chilled perrier. i guarantee that would work better

what are you talking about? Are you posting just to post anything or do you actually give it any thought first ?

 

[smo0f]

He was probably thinking methane

i was initially but methanol is derived from methane so i wasn't so far off

 

[smo0f]

what are you talking about? Are you posting just to post anything or do you actually give it any thought first ?

i think the question here is, what are you talking about?