4th Generation Prelude (Vtec)

[Lt. Dan]

I'd hope a VTEC model would run 14's with some mods... s***, my 93 Si (H23, no vtec) ran a 14.6, with cams and exhaust...

Dan

 

[GotanyLudes?]

4th Generation Prelude

(bang) Ok, my apologies. It's just a pet peeve of mine when people automatically assume that when a car has another letter added to the badge, it's twice as fast.

When I say computer upgrades, I do not mean a VTEC controller, but I bought an aftermarket ECU that has upgraded fuel curves and VTEC engage points. It's not that much of a help, but there is a slight noticable difference.

I honestly can't say how it broke, could have been a defect. I spent that whole night trying to find a tow truck to get me home... I haven't been very lucky with the car, and I almost got rid of it, but I just love it too much. We have a strange relationship.

I'm hoping to get into the 13's. I'll post my slips when I get everything straight. If I don't hit 'em, I'll be installing a turbo within weeks...

 

[Fear]

Hello there fellow Luder. I believe you have some misinformation in your post. The SH does not weigh 200 pounds more than the base model.

Can you explain what type of "computer upgrade" did you do?

the SH is heavier, and slower in a straight line. fyi, just to test, we weighed an 01 SH and 01 Base -- 200 pounds is just about right.

 

[PreFknLude_SiR]

the SH is heavier, and slower in a straight line. fyi, just to test, we weighed an 01 SH and 01 Base -- 200 pounds is just about right.

Hello there. I hope you are weighing two stock cars with the same exact parts on it.
My SH weighs 2951 lbs with no driver, and my friend's base model weighed out to be 2810 with driver, but his is completely gutted.

According to Edmunds.com:
01 SH - Curb Weight: 3042 lbs.
01 base model - Curb Weight: 2954 lbs.

So if the car is heavier, then it is slower on a straight line? You're telling me a Mustang GT would lose to a Civic, since it is a lot heavier? The internals of the H22 is NOT the same, the SH has more aggresive cams, which helps make up for the power loss and extra weight.

-.-"

 

[Fear]

yep -- 2 stock cars.

and dont try to make me look like an idiot -- even though you own one, doesnt mean you're the all-knowing about preludes. i have NEVER seen an SH beat out a base in 1/4 mile trap speeds.

 

[PreFknLude_SiR]

yep -- 2 stock cars.

and dont try to make me look like an idiot -- even though you own one, doesnt mean you're the all-knowing about preludes. i have NEVER seen an SH beat out a base in 1/4 mile trap speeds.

You are an idiot. I've seen plenty SH beat base model.
Basically, you are telling me that 3042-2954= 200? In theory, we'll compare two similar Civics, DX vs EX. DX is lighter since it has no power windows/locks/ABS, but that doesn't mean that the EX will always lose.

 

[Aricjm15]

when I first ran my car at the track, I ran with my friend in the car, and then when he got out. I lost .4 seconds off my time and my trap was 2 mph faster
had my car been the same weight I probably would have needed 30 hp more to lose almost half a second

 

[Fear]

You are an idiot. I've seen plenty SH beat base model.
Basically, you are telling me that 3042-2954= 200? In theory, we'll compare two similar Civics, DX vs EX. DX is lighter since it has no power windows/locks/ABS, but that doesn't mean that the EX will always lose.

published curb weights are usually VERY inaccurate.


do some corner weighting on a few of the same car here and there, and you'll realize this.



not to mention, every 100 pounds of weight is equivalent to 16-20bhp loss (not whp)

so you explain to me how this SH beating the base model phenomeon is possible.


and dont call me an idiot. et's are irrelevant, as they are driver dependent. trap speeds are a much better indication of power/weight ratio.

 

[PreFknLude_SiR]

published curb weights are usually VERY inaccurate.


do some corner weighting on a few of the same car here and there, and you'll realize this.



not to mention, every 100 pounds of weight is equivalent to 16-20bhp loss (not whp)

so you explain to me how this SH beating the base model phenomeon is possible.


and dont call me an idiot. et's are irrelevant, as they are driver dependent. trap speeds are a much better indication of power/weight ratio.

IT HAS DIFFERENT ENGINE PARTS for both engines. And if you know that it is driver dependent, why would you argue with me that the base is ALWAYS faster than the SH?

 

[Fear]

read more carefully:

ET -- driver
TRAP SPEED -- power/weight.

so in reality, a base can lose to an SH as far as ET's go. trap speeds -- another story.

 

[GotanyLudes?]

Geez fellas, this really doesn't have to go this far... I HONESTLY didn't know that the SH had different cams, I just figured with both of them having H22A4's, and both having the same ECU, and the same rated HP, i figured the internals would be the same also. You do have to give him credit though, because he owns one... Usually when you've been around a car for some time, you tend to know quite a bit about it. The weight argument got a little out of hand with the Mustang/Civic bit...but I can understand defending your territory. In most cases, the driver means everything. I've seen a guy in a regular 2.0 Eclipse outrun a guy in a Mustang GT before. s*** happens.

What does everyone say to dropping the arguments, and just calling it even? If not, I'll shut up, and sit back and watch the argument like the rest of the bunch.

 

[PreFknLude_SiR]

^^ I stopped replying to the flames already.

 

[Fear]

no flames from me, just setting the record straight. a slight difference in cam grind is not enough to make up for 138 extra pounds.

and as far as that goes, is that proven, or honda factory say-so?
i.e. the "10hp" difference between the SE-R and Spec-V is supposed to be the exhaust. there is no change between the 2 models.


i'm not bashing your car, you, or preludes in general. i think they're great cars, handle very well, and move in a straight line fairly quickly. i just can't stand streams of misinformation when someone is asking for their own benefit.

 

[Jliao]

Prelude SUX! especially when an asian drives it! *cough* Charlie *cough* ^^

 

[PreFknLude_SiR]

Prelude SUX! especially when an asian drives it! *cough* Charlie *cough* ^^

Haha bish.. we still gotta have lunch together. Can't wait to smoke you on hwy 17!

 

[Jliao]

psh, u can smoke me on Suttter street np... :/