The amount of torque the diesel engine has over the gas will more than make up for its slight deficit in horsepower relative to the gas engine. 125 lb-ft is a major difference. Also, Mazda has not ruled out the possibility of a turbocharged Skyactiv-G, and has said the diesel will not necessarily be the performance flagship.
2014 Mazda6 Diesel Discussion
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The amount of torque the diesel engine has over the gas will more than make up for its slight deficit in horsepower relative to the gas engine. 125 lb-ft is a major difference. Also, Mazda has not ruled out the possibility of a turbocharged Skyactiv-G, and has said the diesel will not necessarily be the performance flagship.
December technically fits the "second half of 2013" bit. I have to say that my level of concern continues to increase regarding these new diesel launches, both for Mazda with a somewhat unique approach and for Chrysler with the Jeep and Ram EcoDiesel. Mazda may have jumped the gun a bit in saying no expensive aftertreatment would be necessary since they are having no problems getting their diesel models launched in other countries (as is Jeep with the EcoDiesel delayed from April-May to Fall at best). Mazda further needs to ensure the oil rise issue is well in hand before selling it in the litigious US where 2-3,000 mi. oil changes will result in numerous lawsuits.
I really look forward to trying out the Skyactiv-D, although the longer it takes to get here in the 6 means it will probably take that much longer for the CX-5.
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The diesel dilution problems were mostly due to improper usage by owners. Predominately driving short distances. It is an issue with any modern clean diesel including VW/Audi's TDI, BMW's 3.0L TT Diesel, and Merc's BluTec. Also Mazda has updated the DPF software burn off sooner and to be less sensitive with warning light trigger.
How do you know Mazda has updated the DPF software when the vehicle is not launched in USA? You work for Mazda?
Don't speculate without proof. Too many a-holes' opinions already in the net.
I think it's a it unfair to blame the drivers for short, low-speed commutes that were requiring DPF regens that may have been interrupted and further compounding the dilution problem. The manufacturers need to provide products that are suitable for expected conditions, and on-road use, even if on 3-mile commutes, is still on-road use. I think Mazda should have been covering these additional oil changes until the latest reprogramming and update that seems to have calmed things down in EU and AUS.
My understanding was that the regens were happening too frequently and this update actually delayed regens from every 120-150 miles to around 300-600 miles according to Whirpool forums. I believe the VW TDI, at least in the Passat, seems to regen on 600-800 mile intervals, depending on conditions.
dad of jon
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I don't drive short distances, I cycle, walk or take our petrol car. I have had an oil rise on my cx-5. Which after writing to mazda UK they refunded the cost. I have also had a new dipstick and an ecu upgrade.
Lordkoo - "How do you know Mazda has updated the DPF software when the vehicle is not launched in USA?"
Mazda have said the diesel 6 won't have the problems the cx-5 had. - They have learnt from the earlier release of the same engine in the cx-5 and applied those lessons to the 6. And i had that from here...
http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2012/medium-4x4/mazda/mazda-announces-fix-for-cx-5-oil-problem-34231
So it's more than reasonable to assume that mazda would be stupid not to apply the new DPF software to the diesel 6.
Automotive News (Link) and other sources are now reporting the 6 diesel won't arrive until late spring/late April 2014 due to emissions testing delays. It seems to be very difficult for non-urea based systems to enter the market at this point. I wonder specifically what is causing the problem for the 2.2 L.
Not really the kind of news Mazda needs right now.
Not really the kind of news Mazda needs right now.
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If it means not having to rely on the dealer for AdBlue fluid fill-ups going forward out of warranty I will gladly wait as long as I have to for them to get the diesel through the testing process. I looked hard at the Cruze Diesel until I realized you have to go to the dealer for the urea treatment. That would have been fine if I only planned on keeping the car until it was out of warranty...
I don't know if you specifically "have to go to the dealer for the urea treatment" but they sure don't make it easy. It's a tank and nozzle buried in the trunk, rather than a fill neck next to the fuel filler. The DEF top-off is a simple, DIY procedure in a lot of models, but a total PITA in others. I can see the strategic importance of Mazda wanting to see if it can meet emissions without the need for DEF, because starting in 2015, even the VW Golf and Jetta TDI will require DEF, which were some of the few models that didn't need it.
Actually, slight revision to my last comment about the Cruze diesel. I went to a local car show where they had test drives. They had a Cruze diesel to drive. It was basically just an around-the-block drive, but enough to get a feel for it. It's a torquey little bugger. When we got back, the rep showed me the DEF fill. It's actually more accessible than in some models. You just pull up the floor panel on the trunk, and the fill neck is right there. I don't know if it's a proprietary filler that requires a special nozzle from the dealer, but I know with the Passat TDI, some guys are buying the VW-specific AdBlue bottle, and cutting the base off, and using the neck of the lock & fill nozzle as a funnel. Only thing I've heard is the DEF turns into a persistent, nasty white powder residue if it's spilled, so if you do a DIY fill, be careful not to spill, and if you do, clean it up immediately.
dad of jon
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the cx-5 and maz 6 meet euro 6 emissions standards without after treatment. It's much better to not need aftertreatment BUT there were diesel in the sump problems on the earlier diesels on the cx-5. They did have 'bugs' with it at first but to be fair they've put a lot of effort in to sort them out. Realistically they had to as they plan to sell these engines for quite some time.
I know someone whose car uses a bag of adblue and the bag split. When they enquired at the dealer was that fluid was, they dealer said that the car has 'pissed itself'
If you do get the diesel it will be sorted and you will have a grin from ear to ear when you drive it.
I know someone whose car uses a bag of adblue and the bag split. When they enquired at the dealer was that fluid was, they dealer said that the car has 'pissed itself'
If you do get the diesel it will be sorted and you will have a grin from ear to ear when you drive it.
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My dealer has been informed that the diesel is on hold in NA indefinitely. The mechanics were scheduled to go to "diesel school" and all of that has been cancelled. They have no idea when it will be available.
They actually had a 6 diesel at the L.A. auto show on display. It was really low-key, though. I had to do a double-take to see what it was. The trunklid badge said "Skyactiv D" with the D large and in red. I went back and looked at the gauge cluster, and sure enough, it had a 5200-rpm redline. It could have been a gasser with a new badge and a fake tach, but I have a feeling it was the real deal. The current sales target is April 2014. My Sonata is not that old, but I'd be seriously tempted to trade it for a 6 diesel. All the reviews I've read from Europe say it's fantastic in both performance and fuel economy.
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Bummer. Diesel introduction into the US market is delayed again. I've been putting off a decision as I'd prefer the Mazda 6 or CX5 with diesel but .....VW TDI here I come...
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http://www.autonews.com/article/201...tiv-diesel-launch-in-u.s.-again#ixzz2q14RuHmO
LOS ANGELES -- For the second time in roughly four months, Mazda has delayed the U.S. market launch of its Skyactiv diesel engine for emissions-related issues.
Originally scheduled to debut in the Mazda6 late last year, the automaker said today it has delayed its first diesel engine in the U.S. market until further notice. Mazda says its 2.2-liter Skyactiv turbodiesel can pass U.S. emissions regulations, but that more work is needed to ensure the engine's performance meets company standards.
Mazda spokesman Jeremy Barnes stressed that the diesel program is still active and that the company still plans to launch a Skyactiv diesel-powered vehicle in the U.S. market. Mazda first postponed the launch of its 2.2-liter turbodiesel in the Mazda6 mid-sized sedan from late 2013 to April 2014 because of delays in emissions testing.
Still, the delay is another bump in Mazda's plans to add a diesel to its lineup, a key part of its strategy to improve fuel economy amid toughening regulation.
A key technological difference Mazda hoped would set it apart from competitors' diesels was that its Skyactiv engines would be engineered to meet U.S. emissions requirements without the added cost and complexity of exhaust after-treatment systems. Other automakers use the systems to reduce the nitrous oxide output of their diesel cars in the United States.
"There are challenges with meeting the emissions standards without after-treatment systems," Barnes said. "We believed our Skyactiv technology can meet it -- and it can -- but the challenge is engineering a car that delivers the kind of performance that a Mazda needs to have and we're unable to do that given where we are right now."
Following the delays, Barnes said Mazda engineers are now looking at re-engineering the Skyactiv diesel engine to include either a nitrous oxide-reduction catalyst or a urea after-treatment system to cut NOx emissions. The company is also looking at ways to continue without after-treatment, Barnes said.
In its statement, Mazda said a launch timeline for its Skyactiv diesel engine would be announced at a later date closer to launch
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/201...tiv-diesel-launch-in-u.s.-again#ixzz2q14RuHmO
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http://www.autonews.com/article/201...tiv-diesel-launch-in-u.s.-again#ixzz2q14RuHmO
LOS ANGELES -- For the second time in roughly four months, Mazda has delayed the U.S. market launch of its Skyactiv diesel engine for emissions-related issues.
Originally scheduled to debut in the Mazda6 late last year, the automaker said today it has delayed its first diesel engine in the U.S. market until further notice. Mazda says its 2.2-liter Skyactiv turbodiesel can pass U.S. emissions regulations, but that more work is needed to ensure the engine's performance meets company standards.
Mazda spokesman Jeremy Barnes stressed that the diesel program is still active and that the company still plans to launch a Skyactiv diesel-powered vehicle in the U.S. market. Mazda first postponed the launch of its 2.2-liter turbodiesel in the Mazda6 mid-sized sedan from late 2013 to April 2014 because of delays in emissions testing.
Still, the delay is another bump in Mazda's plans to add a diesel to its lineup, a key part of its strategy to improve fuel economy amid toughening regulation.
A key technological difference Mazda hoped would set it apart from competitors' diesels was that its Skyactiv engines would be engineered to meet U.S. emissions requirements without the added cost and complexity of exhaust after-treatment systems. Other automakers use the systems to reduce the nitrous oxide output of their diesel cars in the United States.
"There are challenges with meeting the emissions standards without after-treatment systems," Barnes said. "We believed our Skyactiv technology can meet it -- and it can -- but the challenge is engineering a car that delivers the kind of performance that a Mazda needs to have and we're unable to do that given where we are right now."
Following the delays, Barnes said Mazda engineers are now looking at re-engineering the Skyactiv diesel engine to include either a nitrous oxide-reduction catalyst or a urea after-treatment system to cut NOx emissions. The company is also looking at ways to continue without after-treatment, Barnes said.
In its statement, Mazda said a launch timeline for its Skyactiv diesel engine would be announced at a later date closer to launch
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/201...tiv-diesel-launch-in-u.s.-again#ixzz2q14RuHmO
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Us CX-5 skyactiv-d members have figured out the ECU and have map avail if you get the mazdaedit software and a tacktrix cable ,
New tune is night and day difference and makes it a beast to drive , its flipping quick for a diesel, one member measured 0-60 6.6 sec, not bad for an suv !
Suspect the mazda 6 and CX-5 skyactive -d would be fairly similar in file so if anyone keen lets hear about it!
Heres the link http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123839126-ECU-tuning-the-2-2L-Diesel
New tune is night and day difference and makes it a beast to drive , its flipping quick for a diesel, one member measured 0-60 6.6 sec, not bad for an suv !
Suspect the mazda 6 and CX-5 skyactive -d would be fairly similar in file so if anyone keen lets hear about it!
Heres the link http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123839126-ECU-tuning-the-2-2L-Diesel
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