2006 Mazdaspeed 6 vs. 2006 Subaru Legacy GT spec.B (edmunds.com)

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MS6 vs Spec B @ Edmunds.com

Article from Edmunds.com

Introduction
By Mike Hudson
Date posted: 03-06-2006

Sitting down in the 2006 Subaru Legacy GT spec.B, cognitive dissonance begins to swirl. Turning the key of the 2006 Mazdaspeed 6 inspires a similar, immediate itchiness contradictions of character sprout up within the soul.

"I smell fumes. I hear turbocharging. I feel tuned suspension. So why do I see family sedans? And storage space? I'm beginning to question everything," you say.

Ah yes, young pupil. Sit down. Calm and clear your mind. We'll be your guide through these troubled thoughts.

"But there is no wing. There are no decals. These cupholders are convenient!"

Easy there. With age comes wisdom, yes? But that doesn't mean with age comes boredom. So how can one be at once powerful, yet civilized? Or daring, yet prudent?

The answer, my dear young-to-middle-aged enthusiast, is stealth.

For those moving beyond that somewhat high school-inspired need to impress others through looks alone (Hypercolor shirts? Oakley shades? Ford Probes?), but not quite ready to do zero to 60 mph in the time it takes to change a messy toddler, there is a place for you. Or perhaps you'd like some BMW M5 or Mercedes E55-style performance, but find yourself in a slightly lower tax bracket. This is the test for you.

Classic foes in a niche market
Subaru's Legacy GT spec.B and Mazda's Mazdaspeed 6 offer an enticing blend of performance and practicality, getting you onto the on-ramp with the anonymity of a family sedan but packing the punch needed to blow some doors off if need be.

Both cars are souped-up versions of more sedate family sedans. Each packs a powerful turbocharged four-cylinder engine, a manual transmission, all-wheel drive and sticky 18-inch tires.

From the Mazda 6 comes the Mazdaspeed 6. This particular car was a Grand Touring model propped up on Bridgestone Potenza RE050A summer tires with 18-inch rims. To get it up to the spec.B's trim level, we cherry-picked a navigation system and power moonroof to bring the price from $30,000 up to $33,425.

The spec.B stands atop the proud lineage of the Subaru Legacy. But this model comes not only with the 2.5-liter engine of the Legacy GT, but also with sport-tuned suspension, a refined interior design and nav system standard. Ours wore the same Bridgestone Potenzas as the Mazda and some equally fresh 18-inch rims. Its sticker price was $34,620.

Pitting these two Trojan horses against one another is as natural as the classic Subaru STI-Mitsubishi Evo duel. We've got 250 horses and a five-speed manual in the Subaru. There's 274 hp in the six-speed Mazda. But as with any competition between closely matched competitors, the answer to who wins likely says more about the driver than the car.

Scoreboard
The torque-soaked Subaru gives you better acceleration, jetting to 60 mph and through the quarter-mile well ahead of its competitor. But the slightly heavier Mazda gives you better handling, chewing up the slalom slightly faster than the Subaru with much better body control.

From there, the questions become murkier. Which looks better? Which sounds better? Five speeds or six? This navigation system or that navigation system?

"But with so great a decision resting on so many factors, how can I make a clear decision?" you ask. Good question.

Despite our infinite wisdom, we struggled with the same question. And in this case, among three editors, the Subaru won with one, the Mazda won with another and the third called it a draw. So making a clear call as to the superior vehicle was difficult. But this is no game for cowards, and there can be only one winner.

In the end, the Mazda won for its vastly superior handling. The body roll of the spec.B just won't fly for those tearing up this sporty detour along the path to middle age. Even while touring the highways, where the Subaru team obviously tuned the spec.B's suspension to shine, the Mazdaspeed keeps you plenty comfortable for everyday driving all the more comfortable knowing you have world-class performance handling at the ready.

Go forth with stealth and pavement-carving prowess, young road warrior. And woe to the minivan or Camry who dares cut you off. Don't forget to give them a "Watch it, Grandpa!" on the way past.

See mikeyb's post # 9 and post # 10 for the remainder of the article.

Thanks mikey,
R
 
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Make sure to watch the video at the top of the page as well. It is nice to hear a review that acknowledges the strengths of the MS6 platform and doesn't just focus on 0-60 times. It is interesting that they liked the handling so much while R/T said that the MS6 was an auto-x reject. Be sure to check it out.

R
 
I find it interesting that they think the Legacy is faster, when in reality it isn't.
 
Mazda3 said:
I find it interesting that they think the Legacy is faster, when in reality it isn't.
Yeah, I thought they had about the same 1/4 mile time, yet they said the Subaru was much faster...
 
yeah, some guy with a ms6 on this forum just posted a thread where he ran 13.77@98. guess it comes down to the driver.
 
Yeah, it was actually 98.9 MPH, so basically 99. The low MPH in the Edmunds test tells me they were't using 93 octane gas. All the proper tests on the MS6 have been either 99 or 100 MPH through the traps, which would smoke the 96 MPH Legacy. The proper tests also yielded 5.3 to 5.6 0-60 times, again faster than the Legacy.
 
I sent them an email asking this question (91 octane). Gotta love the video of the cars being put through the paces. It also makes it clear to me that the stock Legacy GT's styling is really boring compared with the "highway assasin" look of the MS6. Looks ain't everything, but when you combine it with the MS6's speed and handling, it definitely puts it over the top. (first)
 
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First Place: 2006 Mazdaspeed 6
Pulling out of the office, we spot a minivan approaching from the left. The driver of the van sees a red sedan inching out of a parking structure, but she knows we're going to stop.


Our eyes meet, and with a pop of the eyebrows from the daredevil within, this daring red sedan squirts through the opening with plenty of room to spare. And then continues to the left turn lane with a certain attitude. Another glance is exchanged.

"Surprised?"

In the words of Mazda's own people, the 2006 Mazdaspeed 6 looks fast, but not furious. And in a world where we're told to grow up all too fast but also not to look old this character trait is much appreciated.

But shouldn't we really be judged on what's inside?

She's got a great personality
So get ready to surprise some folks with this inner beauty under the hood. Not many will know you've got 274 horses. Next to none would guess you could outrun a Nissan 350Z in the quarter-mile or whip a BMW 330i in the slalom.

But you can. And it's this wonderful blend of performance that puts the Mazdaspeed 6 atop the Subaru Legacy GT spec.B in this comparison test. And all for $29,000 to start or $33,425 with a few options.

This relative bargain for such a fine blend of performance makes the Mazdaspeed 6 exceptional, but for any price, this car's handling is a star maker. From our daring commute maneuver to the canyons of Malibu, there's a world of enjoyment to be had from this suspension. Riding on a double-wishbone front and rear multilink system with stiffened springs and thickened stabilizer bars, this sporty sedan can flat-out rip through corners with minimal roll, leaving you immediately positioned to throttle out.

Even if you aren't a pro in the bends, the Mazdaspeed 6 has an active torque-splitting all-wheel-drive system to help sort out any sloppiness. It usually pushes 50 percent of the engine's power to the front wheels, but can send as much as 100 percent to the front or rear wheels when necessary.

Aye, Captain
Subaru laid down a pretty firm gauntlet challenge to Mazda with its turbocharged 2.5-liter, 250-horsepower four-cylinder in the spec.B. Mazda used an impressive turbo system that maxes its boost out at 15.6 psi (compared with 13.5 psi for the Subaru) to get more horses from a smaller package.

At the helm in the Mazdaspeed is a 2.3-liter direct-injected four-cylinder, turbocharged up to 274 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 280 pound-feet of torque at just 3,000 rpm. Mazda claims to have updated or changed hundreds of parts for the Mazdaspeed version of the standard 160-hp non-turbo engine found in the regular 6.

Not surprisingly, the old girl had some get-up-and-go at our test track in Fontana, California, jumping from zero to 60 in a very respectable 6.1 seconds and blowing through the quarter-mile in 14.3 seconds at 95.7 mph.

The 6's engine and suspension teamed up to shred the slalom at an incredible 68 mph with an impressive lack of body roll. Even on the skid pad, the car stayed remarkably flat while pulling 0.86g. The Subaru, on the other hand, rolled considerably in both tests, while scoring a slower slalom time and achieving less lateral grip.

The Mazda's manual transmission comes down to a matter of taste. The six-speed setup gives the car a "revvy" quality that will appeal to many tastes, but the gear ratios place the Mazda at a high-rpm disadvantage to the Subaru. While the spec.B can power up to 60 mph in 2nd gear, the Mazdaspeed 6 has to jump into 3rd to reach speed. This is certainly a major factor in the 0.4-second advantage the Subaru notched in acceleration to 60.

Editors were impressed with the pedal setup as well, which allowed for easy heel-toe shifting to guide its precise shifter through the gears with ease.

Braking was also a major factor in pushing the Mazda over the Subaru. Remarkably, it took the 189-pound-heavier Mazda only 113 feet to stop from 60 mph, 10 feet less than the Subaru.

Cleans up well
Mazda also did a fine job of balancing conservative styling with a modestly sporty appearance. The folks at Mazda jazzed up the design of the conventional 6 with a new grille and gray-tinted headlights. To make room for the turbocharger and intercooler, the front hood is somewhat domed to create space for the air intake without the need for a hood scoop.

The front fenders are flared to accommodate larger wheels, again to create a measured yet aggressive look. And just like the Subaru spec.B, you're getting some fairly impressive wheels for the extra cash.

At the rear view, the Mazdaspeed 6 offers a different fascia and taillights echoing the styling cues of the RX-8, again to hint at what's beneath the hood without openly shouting about it. The bulged hood stands tall out the windshield, forcing the driver to either raise the power seat or give up a few more feet of visibility.

This rubbed some the wrong way, with the Subaru earning higher marks for the 5 to 10 extra feet of visibility out the front. But again, it's a matter of personal preference.

From the inside, the cabin feels spacious, stretching around the driver perhaps with an illusion of space la the "cab forward" designs from Chrysler years back. Seats are sporty and comfortable, made all the more so for the driver by a telescoping steering wheel. It's got plenty of cupholders. There's frontal, side-impact and side curtain airbags. Every surface is dark or black, with materials ranging from patterned plastics to smooth leather enveloping the interior in a shroud of sleek comfort. Red lighting on the control panel also gave it a feeling of style as we cruised through the night.

Our testers were also impressed with the comfort of the backseats, which offered a bit more space than the Subaru's to stretch out and two headrests for added comfort, so feel free to carpool. And in this segment, the crossroads of performance and utility are where one finds happiness.

Conclusion
What more could you ask? You've got performance and practicality as well as a few thousand dollars more in your pocket than Johnny M5.

In the end, Mazda made a significant improvement over its standard 6 sedan when it produced the Mazdaspeed 6. You're getting more style, more performance and value all in one. The sum total is a stunningly capable blend of under-the-top styling and world-class performance in a surprisingly affordable package. And in this peculiar segment between the young and the old, the 2006 Mazdaspeed 6 should become a clear favorite.



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Second Place: 2006 Subaru Legacy GT spec.B
If there's something Subaru has down, it's jamming speed into an affordable package. From the lightning-quick sub-5-second 0-60 time of the $35,000 STI, to the very respectable sub-6-second time achieved by the $28,000 Legacy GT, Subaru specializes in making sure you fly off the line and still have some change left in your pocket.


With that in mind, in terms of pure speed, the 2006 Subaru Legacy GT spec.B wins this comparison test hands down. While we were impressed by the 6.1-second 0-60 performance of the 2006 Mazdaspeed 6, the Subaru lopped nearly a half-second off that time, notching a 5.7-second average at the test track.

One of the true joys of the spec.B is having a torquey engine mated to such fat, juicy gears on the five-speed manual transmission. You've got plenty of room to play around from 1st to 5th without the constant shifting required for the Mazdaspeed 6.

But from there...um...that's about all she wrote.

Where did the money go?
Don't get us wrong. It isn't that the Subie can't keep up with the Mazdaspeed 6, because it can hold its own despite the looser handling. The most damning part of the spec.B is that you can pretty well own it for $7,000 less by simply opting for a standard Legacy GT.

With both the normal GT and the spec.B you get the phenom turbocharged 2.5-liter four-cylinder boxer engine. Both motors have 250 horsepower. And both have 250 pound-feet of torque at 3,600 rpm.

So where does that spec.B money go?

To quote Subaru: "exclusive suspension enhancements along with unique design elements and interior features."

Most famously, it goes into the suspension. The "B" is for Bilstein, in that you are provided with a set of performance-tuned shocks from the well-known German supplier. Furthermore, Subaru replaces the MacPherson strut front suspension with an inverted strut setup for improved control of weight through turns. This system includes aluminum lower control arms similar to what you'll find in the STI. In the back, the cast-iron parts of the multilink suspension are replaced by aluminum rear arms and upper links to reduce weight.

On the outside all spec.B Legacys wear a Titanium Silver metallic paint job, 18-inch wheels and side ground-effects molding with a sharp chrome trim. The big hood scoop is a GT leftover.

In the areas of design and interior features, the spec.B gives you a significant step up from the regular GT, with dark brick-red leather, a leather-wrapped Momo three-spoke steering wheel, a standard navigation system and standard front, side and side curtain airbags. These touches are much appreciated considering the mediocre response we've had to the normal Legacy GT's interior. Functionally we appreciated the interior's logically set up control panel, convenient pass-through to the trunk and well-placed cupholders.

Subaru also did a fine job with the seats, which snuggle the driver's torso, although some editors thought it was a bit too snug. Power controls enable a great driving position.

Taken as a Subaru, the spec.B earns its place as flagship atop the Legacy food chain. But out on the road, it's not enough to trump the Mazdaspeed 6.

Wanted: a steady ride
While the Subaru is substantially quicker from zero to 60, this might have a lot to do with the fact that you can get all the way to 60 in the spec.B in 2nd gear. The Mazdaspeed 6 requires another shift up to 3rd. The spec.B's 189-pound weight advantage doesn't hurt either. By the time you get up around 90 mph and to the quarter-mile mark, however, the Mazdaspeed has turned that 0.4-second disadvantage into a mere 0.2-second lag.

Worse yet, the Subaru's ballyhooed tuned suspension left us wanting. Whether on the test track or on a twisty stretch in the country, the Subaru had difficulty keeping its poise, and its comparative performance was hurt as a result. In the slalom, the Mazdaspeed 6 beat the Subaru by a full mile per hour, scoring 68 to 67, respectively. While the Subaru's performance was still impressive in terms of speed, you'll notice the difference in body roll during performance turning. While the Mazdaspeed holds steady, the Subaru lists like a storm-locked ship.

The same held true on the skid pad, where the Mazda could sustain firm tracking and a stable gait at 0.86g, with the Subaru sagging heavily, but notching a still impressive 0.85g.

Braking is a subject that the spec.B deserves accolades for, but not in terms of beating its competition more in terms of beating its sibling. One of the true sore points with the standard Legacy GT was its dismal 60-0 braking performance. In some tests it took more than 130 feet. With its improved suspension the spec.B improves on this mark by about 10 feet. Although all three cars get standard ABS and oversized four-wheel disc brakes, the B gets dusted by the 6 by another 10 feet.

Conclusion
When you consider that only 500 spec.Bs and only a few thousand Mazdaspeed 6s will be produced, you realize these machines are built for a very specific clientele, and the slight performance differences between the cars become magnified.

There will be those who prefer the look of the 2006 Subaru Legacy GT spec.B or admire the quicker jump it offers. Some might even prefer the softer suspension, especially those who spend most of their time on the highway. After all, you can still haul through the turns with this setup faster than most. But chances are, those same people would be perfectly happy in a standard GT, like the one we had in our garage for 12 months. And they'd still have several thousand left to get an aftermarket nav system, rims and a better stereo.


Performance




Performance

Mazda Mazdaspeed 6 vs Subaru Legacy GT spec.B

Zero-to-60-mph acceleration, sec. 6.1 vs 5.7

Quarter-mile acceleration, sec. 14.3 vs 14.1

Quarter-mile speed, mph 95.7 vs 96.5

60-to-0-mph braking, feet 113 vs 123 600-ft slalom, mph 68 vs 67

Video @ Link:
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...09487
 
Wow.. they only got a 14.3 out of the Ms6? Damn, we got guys bone stock running 13.7's already.
 
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Wow.. they only got a 14.3 out of the Ms6? Damn, we got guys bone stock running 13.7's already.
Yeah, but he was running with half tank of gas, 2 gallons of which was 101 Race fuel
 
So? Race fuel doesn't make horsepower.

Another guy ran a 14.0 with a quicker 60' than the guy that ran a 13.7, but he missed 3rd gear.
 
yes, but it could reduce the power loss caused by heat soak, which is a known issue with the MS6. By having the high octane fuel it will take longer for the fuel to burn, which means combustion will occur closer to TDC and not pre-ignite the fuel.
 
Where did you come by this info?
Heatsoak has nothing to do with the powerloss SOME Ms6 people have been having. Personally we have sold 12 and not one complaint on that issue. And if the information coming through the grapevine is true, in the next couple of months their will no longer be an issue.
 
More than one person has dyno'd their Ms6. One used race gas and got the same numbers that the guy that ran 93 did.
 
From what I hear its the pcm being a ninny ninny poo poo. Yes, I know, technical jargon.
 

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