$2000 for mods..... what should I get

[azian6er]

im sorry man, but thats the dumbest advice i've ever heard... the stock turbo is more than capable of producing enough power to blow the stock engine. why waste a grand on something that doesnt need to be upgraded until down the road with a built block?

also to the original poster- the msp is known for its handling. why would you want to waste money on making it a hair better when that money could go towards something productive (like a power mod)

have you blown your stock engine because of power??

or have you just heard of people that have? Rumors are a bad thing....

I have blown my engine 2 times, and neither time was because of the hardware. LKook at 505zoom for example, 270+whp sotck bottom end,

My advice is not dumb, it is the smart way to make a lot of power fast and "cheap." I hate when people criticize and say "oh moy god how could you ever think about putting a gt28rs on a stock FS motor?? --shame on you!!" haha -- these people crack me up because they are just relaying things they have heard, NOT what they have experienced.

Believe me, i have been through it ALL with this car, this is the best way.

 

[HiPrsur]

i have a gt28rs on my stock block...

but, i also have a full forged setup waiting to be dropped in at any time....(glare)

 

[baconbitz]

Highspeed, if you havent already done it check out the georgia section.

 

[baconbitz]

Double post ftl.

 

[dirtysouth_msp]

simply, no.

people freak about internals because people have TOLD them intenals go at xxx who or etc... they havent actually lost them like I have.

Best bang for buck is what i said, period.

lol

Oh and you don't need to upgrade the turbo for those numbers IMHO

 

[orng1]

I'd say the best mods are exhaust at least a DP back exhuast if you want to make power, EMS unichip is a good one as it's pretuned and comes with a boost controler, and of course an intercooler the stock one sucks so bad it's not even funny. About the turbo you don't have to replace it to reach 220 but it just makes it sooo much easier, the stocker is designed to be efficient for the target HP 170. I upgraded my turbo to a T3 and love it, it doesn't really affect driveability as long as you chose a realistic compresor I had a 42 trim.

 

[dirtysouth_msp]

I'd say the best mods are exhaust at least a DP back exhuast if you want to make power, EMS unichip is a good one as it's pretuned and comes with a boost controler, and of course an intercooler the stock one sucks so bad it's not even funny. About the turbo you don't have to replace it to reach 220 but it just makes it sooo much easier, the stocker is designed to be efficient for the target HP 170. I upgraded my turbo to a T3 and love it, it doesn't really affect driveability as long as you chose a realistic compresor I had a 42 trim.

Properly tuned the stock turbo can take you way past 170 hp and still be efficient. What the hell are you talking about man? Our turbo almost identical to the GT25r, the turbine and compressor wheel are the same size and same trim. The compressor maps are the same. There are slight differences such as the housing.

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-001&Category_Code=GRT

 

[meinp5]

I'd say invest in a roth IRA. No tax benefit now, but tax free to withdraw later. Not going to be the most popular response, but it's the most logical and best way to spend you money. Just my 2 pennies.

 

[orng1]

Yes I know the stock turbo will get you 220+hp and it has been done but it's a lot easier to do it with a turbo that flows better. I feel the turbine section is too small for what a lot of us want. No need to argue with me. I know you can make it do almost anything with enough time, parts, and the right tune.

 

[dirtysouth_msp]

Yes I know the stock turbo will get you 220+hp and it has been done but it's a lot easier to do it with a turbo that flows better. I feel the turbine section is too small for what a lot of us want. No need to argue with me. I know you can make it do almost anything with enough time, parts, and the right tune.

Not arguing, lol. Just pointing out that it is not neccessary. With the T3/T4 you get more hp potential, but your are downgrading in technology. Also it takes a good bit of modification and additional parts to make the T3 work. Definitely not a bolt on mod at this time. For example: external wastegate, different manifold (or rigged like CustomMSP's), Custom downpipe for external wastegate and turbo position and etc. Not to mention tuning.

Unless you get the T3 for extremely cheap, GT28rs would probably cost about the same in the end and bolts right up. Of course you don't get the benefit of the external wastegate though

 

[orng1]

Yes BIG time modding for this. I know not a lot of MSP owners are looking for max power but I was when I started to mod it. It had too much torque and I knew for my goals that I had to go big, a little lag is ok for me. 220 not so much, with EMS, Boost controler and a full exhaust might be enough. Oh yeah I now have a turbonetics 60-1 ceramic BB turbo so it's not as bad as a regular big slow turbo

 

[dirtysouth_msp]

Yes BIG time modding for this. I know not a lot of MSP owners are looking for max power but I was when I started to mod it. It had too much torque and I knew for my goals that I had to go big, a little lag is ok for me. 220 not so much, with EMS, Boost controler and a full exhaust might be enough. Oh yeah I now have a turbonetics 60-1 ceramic BB turbo so it's not as bad as a regular big slow turbo

Nice, a friend of mine is running the same turbo on his B20 swapped & boosted Accord.

 

[msp35]

have you blown your stock engine because of power??

or have you just heard of people that have? Rumors are a bad thing....

I have blown my engine 2 times, and neither time was because of the hardware. LKook at 505zoom for example, 270+whp sotck bottom end,

My advice is not dumb, it is the smart way to make a lot of power fast and "cheap." I hate when people criticize and say "oh moy god how could you ever think about putting a gt28rs on a stock FS motor?? --shame on you!!" haha -- these people crack me up because they are just relaying things they have heard, NOT what they have experienced.

Believe me, i have been through it ALL with this car, this is the best way.

Well the stocker is good up to atleast 250whp, if the projected goals are beyond that, then for 1/2 the price of the Potato, MPINICK can work the stocker to perform just as good if not better than the potato. So with that said, IMO it's a ridiculous idea to scrap all stock parts for something that is "better".
With 2g's and some patience, you can score nearly every possible bolt-on for the MSP: Intake/Exhaust Manifolds, EMS, Turbo-back Exhaust, FMIC, gauges, boost controller, Intake. then weigh wether or not you want to replace your stock turbo or get it 'worked'

 

[Boosted03MSP]

Heres my idea for you.


Make your own intake. $30-$50

Buy an intercooler core and DIY the pipes or have them made locally cheap(aluminum is fairly cheap) $400-$600

Buy a turboback exhaust ( i prefer Vibrant) $760

Split Second Airflow controller. Check out protegegarage $320

Manual Boost controller-- JoeP $50

440cc's (get them used from a WRX) $75-$100



total = $1600 - $1900

 

[mspHtown]

have you blown your stock engine because of power??

or have you just heard of people that have? Rumors are a bad thing....

I have blown my engine 2 times, and neither time was because of the hardware. LKook at 505zoom for example, 270+whp sotck bottom end,

My advice is not dumb, it is the smart way to make a lot of power fast and "cheap." I hate when people criticize and say "oh moy god how could you ever think about putting a gt28rs on a stock FS motor?? --shame on you!!" haha -- these people crack me up because they are just relaying things they have heard, NOT what they have experienced.

Believe me, i have been through it ALL with this car, this is the best way.

no i have not blown it. i do have a fs-de ripped apart in my garage and it has tiny rods that cannot handle 250whp for a long period of time and abuse.
the stock engine blowing is not a rumor. there are countless threads and (wonderful pictures) of the stock block giving out.
i dont care if you have blown 1 engine or 5 engines, the stock rods are tiny. that is a documented and proven fact. im not saying the engine is a pos, im saying that you cannot produce all of htis power and abuse the engine expecting it to last.
the original poster said he had 2000 dollars and he wanted a little over 200 whp. the stock turbo is more than enough! also, spending half that money on a worthless upgrade (to achieve the goal he wants) is sooooooo dumb.
505zoom has more mods than imaginable. and it is surprising his was able to maintain that power. has it blown yet?
making alot of power does nto come cheap.


people like you crack me up. the sad thing is that soooo many people soak this garbage up and waste s*** tons of money.

 

[orng1]

LOL I love these threads they are endless and it only takes a few weeks for someone else to start a new one.

 

[azian6er]

no i have not blown it. i do have a fs-de ripped apart in my garage and it has tiny rods that cannot handle 250whp for a long period of time and abuse.
the stock engine blowing is not a rumor. there are countless threads and (wonderful pictures) of the stock block giving out.
i dont care if you have blown 1 engine or 5 engines, the stock rods are tiny. that is a documented and proven fact. im not saying the engine is a pos, im saying that you cannot produce all of htis power and abuse the engine expecting it to last.
the original poster said he had 2000 dollars and he wanted a little over 200 whp. the stock turbo is more than enough! also, spending half that money on a worthless upgrade (to achieve the goal he wants) is sooooooo dumb.
505zoom has more mods than imaginable. and it is surprising his was able to maintain that power. has it blown yet?
making alot of power does nto come cheap.


people like you crack me up. the sad thing is that soooo many people soak this garbage up and waste s*** tons of money.

Dood, you are off base. Who do you think I am, some racer boy who throws parts at cars for no reason, or just because spending money - go fast? If so, you really have construed me in the wrong light.

I have tried SO MANY combinations with this car, 3 different turbos, 3 EMS', and various other modifications/ideas. All I am saying is that if i had it to do over again, i would have done it this way.

Why waste money on internals if they arent broken? thats ludicrous. The sotck rods can go for 250whp if not more if treated correctly (ie enough fuel, high octane gas, cold charge temp). 505 zoom has already demonstrated this.

All i was telling the poster was that if he wanted his car to go the fastest it could for the amount of money allocated ie. 2K, then these would be the mods. I stand by that list, and I really find it amusing that you think you know more than I because you have read all the posts from various users on the forums regarding our bad engines etc.

I would put my 2K setup against yours any day of the week for reliability and power.

So in essence, people like YOU crack ME up haha.

 

[JOMO]

The majority fo people who blew there blocks did something wrong. Too much boost with no tuning, abusing their car. Me.. I did also blow my motor, but that was my fault. Running lean in the upper rpms and not taking care of it.

The origional poster could reach his goals with stock turbo..yes, but azian6er is just saying for the best bang for the buck to get or exceed your goals. I agree with him 100%.

 

[dannyboy17]

how come a lot of people mention wrx 440cc injectors? Are the stock injectors really that bad? How much horsepower should be the limit on stock injectors with proper tune?

azian6er: how come you dont mention the 626 intake manifold? Its $300 and 20whp gain guaranteed, at least I thought...?

 

[azian6er]

how come a lot of people mention wrx 440cc injectors? Are the stock injectors really that bad? How much horsepower should be the limit on stock injectors with proper tune?

azian6er: how come you dont mention the 626 intake manifold? Its $300 and 20whp gain guaranteed, at least I thought...?

yeah thats a good mod too. And its actually a lot cheaper than that if you pick one up from a junk yard. I got mine for 40 bucks shipped:')

That is a good mod as well, so add that one to the list haha.