'11 Speed3 Up-Grade Ideas?

[SRH_3GT]

Hey Everyone,

All I have added to my '11 Speed3 is the K&M Typhoon Intake. I really do not wish to add anything else, BUT, I'm thinking about doing a flash or something. I do not really think I will race the car. I just want it to be tuned correctly to add a little more power.

Any thoughts?

 

[FlyPanAm]

Hypertech.

 

[Speed3-11]

Upgrading 2011 Speed 3

We have the same ideas, I have a 2011 Red Mazdaspeed 3 with a Typhoon K&N intake as well. Its my everyday car so I'm keeping the upgrading to a minimal. I am adding a duel port bypass valve which can help protect the turbo over time and a better motor mount since the engine seems to be a bit jerky at times. I found these items on Street Units website.

 

[Chris@Hypertech]

You should definitley consider the Hypertech Sport programmer. The programmer is easy to use, and has a specific tune for the K&N Typhoon intake that will correct the MAF readings should you decide to add other mods. The engine tuning will increase the overall performance and drivability. The max power gains are 66 HP and 27 TQ over the stock tune, and a 10 HP gain at peak power. The programmer also has options to remove the boost and load cut in 1st and 2nd gear, and adjust the idle RPM. The part number is 62003.

See the attached dyno chart.View attachment 62003_2010-2011 Mazdaspeed3_2.3L_Turbo.pdf



Chris

 

[Remspeed3]

Get the Hypertech..ITS WORTH IT!!!

 

[Chris410]

You should definitley consider the Hypertech Sport programmer. The programmer is easy to use, and has a specific tune for the K&N Typhoon intake that will correct the MAF readings should you decide to add other mods. The engine tuning will increase the overall performance and drivability. The max power gains are 66 HP and 27 TQ over the stock tune, and a 10 HP gain at peak power. The programmer also has options to remove the boost and load cut in 1st and 2nd gear, and adjust the idle RPM. The part number is 62003.

Is that tune safe with the stock fuel pump or does it require the internals? My car has the K&N SRI as well (nothing else) and I would be interested to get a "safe" tune on it.

 

[skatethesea]

You will be fine with the stock pump. Word is, down pipe, or an extreme increase in boost will require upgrades. I am running 18.5lbs of boost with a few extra upgrades and my car holds fine all the way to redline. And I wasnt a dummy about it. I added power little by little watching fuel trim, afr, Fuel Press, etc. It took about a week of tuning during my daily driving routine to get it to were it is at. Currently I am sitting at 250whp 286whp. Still blowing black smoke/running rich on the top end. So more tuning is needed. I'm still a noob. I need to get rid of the DP and get the internals and push to 20lbs of boost. But in the end of it all, can you afford to blow your car up? If not, then just be happy with what you have. Tuning is a brave sport. Being an enthhusiast is free

 

[SRH_3GT]

Well, I ran across a guy, with a 1st gen, and he advised me I should do this with my '11 Speed3:

K&N Typhoon intake * (ALREADY HAVE)
Mazdaspeed Aftermarket cat back exhaust*
OBX Test Pipe*
Street unit blow off valve*(only a must have if you have intake/exhaust plus a chip or more)
Cobb Access port*

I advised him that I do not wish to race my vehicle. Docs will not like me to since I have some wonderful brain damage.

 

[SRH_3GT]

Oh yeah. I ment to ask this question. Do any of you have this major problem with the exhaust blow out crap?

That junk is very hard to get off the bumper. Even the clear bra I've placed on the rear bumper for the luggage.

 

[Chris410]

You will be fine with the stock pump. Word is, down pipe, or an extreme increase in boost will require upgrades. I am running 18.5lbs of boost with a few extra upgrades and my car holds fine all the way to redline. And I wasnt a dummy about it. I added power little by little watching fuel trim, afr, Fuel Press, etc. It took about a week of tuning during my daily driving routine to get it to were it is at. Currently I am sitting at 250whp 286whp. Still blowing black smoke/running rich on the top end. So more tuning is needed. I'm still a noob. I need to get rid of the DP and get the internals and push to 20lbs of boost. But in the end of it all, can you afford to blow your car up? If not, then just be happy with what you have. Tuning is a brave sport. Being an enthhusiast is free

I am new to the car so the first thing is finding out what the pump along with the stock fuel system can handle. I built up a 97 Supra to a T-78 single and tuned it myself but I knew how and what the motor/fuel could handle so I ended up getting 720RWHP on the stock block with only some fuel upgrades and of course tuning the single set up all the way to 28psi at 720RWHP w/propane injection and my street tune of 597RWHP on 93pump *no injection. I used to drag race quite a bit so when it comes to cars I'd say I have a decent amount of tuning experience.

Reading that a DP spikes the boost, it seems that the wastegate must be electronically controlled OR cannot handle the spikes. I used to run my tune off spring on my Supra so I didn't have to worry about spikes, I would literally adjust it manually so that it would open at a particular level and I didn't have to worry about spiking. Sounds like a spring WG may be the way to go OR maybe an EBC if there's one that is pretty good. Either way, I think I'll end up needing a Cobb or some other monitoring software to keep an eye on knock and of course some dyno time to track A/F levels.

From what I have read so far the stock pump is very limited but I am having a hard time finding out what the exact point of limitation is. I don't think I'm going to go crazy with the car in terms of power, I can see running a stage I tune and that's probably as much as I'll do with this car. However, before I run a tune I'm curious to know what the boost limit is (my guess is arond 18 from what you are saying) but where exactly the fuel limitations are is still a mystery. I have a lot of questions however, I need to search and seek out the information so I will not post all of them up until I have finished searching.

 

[Chris410]

Oh yeah. I ment to ask this question. Do any of you have this major problem with the exhaust blow out crap?

That junk is very hard to get off the bumper. Even the clear bra I've placed on the rear bumper for the luggage.

That is normal, your car is adjusting fuel when you hit boost which causes it to run rich...ie the soot you see. Watch your rear view mirror next time you floor it and you'll see the black smoke. LOL...of course make sure you have a clear straight road. My tail pipes get dirty within a day, it's not a bad thing. When tuning turbo cars I like to keep them slightly rich to keep timing in check, a lot of people like to lean them out but that will only give you a spike in power where tuning on load/boost and adjusting the fuel correctly to where it is slightly rich will give you a better overall power curve.

Example...here is my street tune on my former car (97 Supra w/Greddy T-78) Notice the power/torque how it does not spike yet holds through the powerband. And let me tell you...the car pulled like a monster and just did not stop pulling!

http://www.angelfire.com/ab/teamdevious/dyno.html

Dyno was at 19psi on 93 pump...my street tune. A/F was around 11.0 (stock block/stock manifold too!)

 

[Chris@Hypertech]

Is that tune safe with the stock fuel pump or does it require the internals? My car has the K&N SRI as well (nothing else) and I would be interested to get a "safe" tune on it.

The Hypertech tune will work safely with the stock fuel pump with an aftermarket air intake. Our tune was tested with various aftermarket air intakes, turbo inlet pipes, catless downpipes, racepipes, and cat-back systems. We recommend upgrading the fuel pump internals if you install a catless downpipe and/or racepipe. Air intakes, turbo inlet pipes, and cat-back exhaust systems work fine with the Hypertech tune, with the factory catalyst pipes installed. We did see issues with the fuel pump with the catless downpipe and racepipe installed on our test car. However, we had several testers with similar mods that had no issues. There are obviously some variances in the cars where the fuel pump is adequate on some, and not others.

The ECU has a protection mechanism built in that closes the throttle when it detects that the fueling cannot keep up with the airflow demand. The Hypertech tune maintains this safety feature. Our testing showed that even when this condition occurred, the engine still maintained safe air/fuel ratios. But obviously, you won't get the maximum performance potential out of the engine under this circumstance.

Chris

 

[Chris410]

The Hypertech tune will work safely with the stock fuel pump with an aftermarket air intake. Our tune was tested with various aftermarket air intakes, turbo inlet pipes, catless downpipes, racepipes, and cat-back systems. We recommend upgrading the fuel pump internals if you install a catless downpipe and/or racepipe. Air intakes, turbo inlet pipes, and cat-back exhaust systems work fine with the Hypertech tune, with the factory catalyst pipes installed. We did see issues with the fuel pump with the catless downpipe and racepipe installed on our test car. However, we had several testers with similar mods that had no issues. There are obviously some variances in the cars where the fuel pump is adequate on some, and not others.

The ECU has a protection mechanism built in that closes the throttle when it detects that the fueling cannot keep up with the airflow demand. The Hypertech tune maintains this safety feature. Our testing showed that even when this condition occurred, the engine still maintained safe air/fuel ratios. But obviously, you won't get the maximum performance potential out of the engine under this circumstance.

Chris

Very good info thank you! Do you work with any tuners in the N. Va area that use your product to tune? Also, can the stock map be installed in case the car needs to go to the dealership?

 

[Chris@Hypertech]

There are no custom tuning options or software available with our tuner. It basically re-flashes your ECU with a tune already customized for your factory calibration. It maintains an image of your stock tune, so you can return to the stock setting any time.

 

[Chris@Hypertech]

From what I have read so far the stock pump is very limited but I am having a hard time finding out what the exact point of limitation is. I don't think I'm going to go crazy with the car in terms of power, I can see running a stage I tune and that's probably as much as I'll do with this car. However, before I run a tune I'm curious to know what the boost limit is (my guess is arond 18 from what you are saying) but where exactly the fuel limitations are is still a mystery. I have a lot of questions however, I need to search and seek out the information so I will not post all of them up until I have finished searching.

Peak boost with the stock tune is 14-15 PSI. Peak boost with the Hypertech tune is 17-18 PSI. With the Hypertech tune, boost pressure comes on full at 2800-3000 RPM, and holds flat until about 5500 RPM, where it is tuned to trail off. The stock turbo efficiency starts dropping drastically as it tries to keep up with the airflow of the engine in the higher RPM ranges. Here is a link to more information about the effects of increased boost with this engine.

Chris

 

[SRH_3GT]

So much for trying to go additional up-grades

Well, remember that I just bought a NEW '11 Speed3 and it looked like this:

Well, I arrived back down in the Valley this afternoon and look how my Mazda looks now:

Well, needless to say, the Speed3 has less than 2,500 miles on it and I will not feel comfortable ever driving that vehicle again. The reason I say that is due to a major car wreck I had, in west houston, back on June 8th, 2001. That vehicle I had looked like this:

and IT ended up looking like this:

 

[bradboyd80]

Wow, sorry to hear/see that man. Hope you are all right. I'm guessing you were rear-ended, so hopefully you won't have to pony up any money. Get that thing fixed and mod it!

 

[Chris410]

Hope you are ok, damage you showed can easily be repaired.

 

[SRH_3GT]

Hope you are ok, damage you showed can easily be repaired.

Having traumatic brain injury, I do not wish to get the Speed3 back. That Speed is brand freaking new and I will loose more than $10k in the value. If that Speed is able to be out of the picture, I will have to locate another new Speed3. I will have someone remove that K&N out of the vehicle and place the stock one back in. This week, I will have to get with my rehab doctor and get another cat scan, mri and something about a finger on my right hand that was broken in many pieces by the wreck in that '97 SHO. i now get twice the amount of migrains due to this wreck. ugh

 

[bradboyd80]

Whoa.....sorry to hear that man. Hope things get better for you.