smakdown61
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+1. That guys has obviously never seen a subie tranny. Looks like a rwd tranny with extra axles lol. If you want to see something thats fwd with awd added in go look at a mazdaspeed 6 tranny.
09 Ms3 Vs 09 Wrx
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+1. That guys has obviously never seen a subie tranny. Looks like a rwd tranny with extra axles lol. If you want to see something thats fwd with awd added in go look at a mazdaspeed 6 tranny.
I was initially split between an 08 MS3 and an 09 WRX as well. After test driving them both, I eventually decided with the MS3. The WRX is quicker from a dead stop because of AWD, and there isn't any power limiting in the 1st 2 gears like the MS3. Yet, it costs ~$4000 more generally speaking, and the interior and exterior are not of as a high quality as the MS3. I think the MS3 is simply a better looking car, it has more style an appeal than the WRX overall. As far as handling, the MS3 can handle the twisites and corner better, but on the other hand the WRX is much smoother driving, and can tackle huge road bumps while barely feeling them. The seats in the WRX are more comfortable than the MS3 too.
It all comes down to what kind of car you want. The MS3 feels sportier and sounds angrier, while the WRX is really more like a luxury sedan with a more linear power curve. But now I think it looks a little bland compared to the MS3, interior and exterior wise. Another thing that prevented me from getting the 09 WRX is the scary stories of engines blowing after only a couple thousand miles. There's a thread here on it here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1648372
Either way it's your choice, choose the car that best suits you, and test drive them both if you can.
It all comes down to what kind of car you want. The MS3 feels sportier and sounds angrier, while the WRX is really more like a luxury sedan with a more linear power curve. But now I think it looks a little bland compared to the MS3, interior and exterior wise. Another thing that prevented me from getting the 09 WRX is the scary stories of engines blowing after only a couple thousand miles. There's a thread here on it here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1648372
Either way it's your choice, choose the car that best suits you, and test drive them both if you can.
While I generally agree with your evaluation, I must make a comment on your last reason for deciding to go with the MS3. You have to take those stories with a grain of salt. To be fair, I am positive you can browse these forums and find the same kind of B.S. about the MS3. You have to compare the amount of horror stories to the amount of cars actually made and realize that it's a very very small percentage and really shouldn't be a deciding factor for either car.
I do take those stories with a grain of salt, but granted a lot of people have been reporting engine problems with subbies lately. The 08 WRX actually had a recall, and even people with 08 STis have had engine problems too. A simple google of 09 WRX engine failure does bring up several threads. At the same time, I looked and looked for major problems with the MS3, and the majority of it was simple stuff ie (rattling dash, bad windshield etc) nothing in the vein of an isolated engine defect causing premature failure. It's just that a lot of people are upset on the Subaru forums, even though it's probably an isolated incident of 1% or less, it's still there. I have yet to see anything remotely similar on any MS3 forums.
Either way that thread wasn't what pushed me to the MS3, it simply came down to price and my choice of which car suited me better. Both are great cars.
Either way that thread wasn't what pushed me to the MS3, it simply came down to price and my choice of which car suited me better. Both are great cars.
That's the best reason (iagree)
Have you seen the 09 wrx's 1/4 mile times?
john blutarski
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AWD obviously will give better #'s in the quarter. They trap the same or even slightly higher for the MS3. The MS3 is VERY torquey and great for a DD. The 6 speed is matched perfectly to MS3's powerband.
I'm not bashing the WRX by any means... I'm a former WRX owner myself and loved it. On a road course or autocross course and in stock form, I think the MS3 wins.
I'm fairly certain that an 09 WRX would destroy a MS3 from a dead stop. However at a starting roll anywhere from 20-40, I think the edge would be given to the MS3.
I know this is just speculation, but given the facts AWD is going to give much better launch an 0-60 & 1/4 times, while at the same time it's going to be sucking a little more HP from the wheels compared to FWD. On the other hand, the MS3 should have an advantage from a roll, though their HP is about the same the MS3 has another ~ 40ft-lbs of torque. This is a fair comparison considering the 2 cars have almost an identical curb weight. Probably a driver's race.
I know this is just speculation, but given the facts AWD is going to give much better launch an 0-60 & 1/4 times, while at the same time it's going to be sucking a little more HP from the wheels compared to FWD. On the other hand, the MS3 should have an advantage from a roll, though their HP is about the same the MS3 has another ~ 40ft-lbs of torque. This is a fair comparison considering the 2 cars have almost an identical curb weight. Probably a driver's race.
07Speedfreak
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WRX will easily beat the MS3 from a dig, having AWD and no boost limiter in 1st and 2nd gear. MS3 will easily beat the WRX from a roll I'd say. From someone that owned both.
john blutarski
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which one feels better through the turns?
This is why I bought the MS3. It just felt lighter on it's feet, and I don't give a s*** about tenths in the quarter mile or racing, 0-60 and loosing from a dig on the street. I don't street race. I wanted a fun to drive daily driver car with utility, nice seats, looks, etc. Owning a car like this is not always about street racing and light to light dominance and I think a lot of people put too much behind that when discussing the merits of one car over the other.
I think it's why the MS3 still beat ( handily ) the WRX in Car and Driver's most recent comparo of the 09 versions. Second place was the VW GTI.
At the same time, the first gear launch in the WRX was pretty awesome. Can't fault the car in any way for acceleration. There was just something about it that didn't turn my crank.
I haven't driven the WRX, but C&D claimed the WRX is too soft through turns, and video's show significant body roll, compared to the MS3 which demonstrates next to none (only seen in video, I don't own one...yet
07Speedfreak
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MS3. I havent "really" tried mine since I bought it 1 day before it started snowing here. And I got the steelies for winter. But regardless it doesnt matter. MS3 is lowered, stiffer suspension, and runs on 18" tires. Really its a no brainer.
Its really what you want in a car that will make you choose between the two.
I think a big thing is do you want to mod it? If so I would say go with the Suby. Just for the simple fact that it has AWD. I really think that about 300hp in a fwd car is the max it should have, any more than that and it really gets tricky. Our MS3 is practically on the edge of having too much power as it is for just the front wheels.
You didn't mention price, that would be a huge thing for most of us buying these cars.
Good luck.
Gmac
You didn't mention price, that would be a huge thing for most of us buying these cars.
Good luck.
Gmac
+1...i know i wish i had(doh), but money was an issue at the time(crazy). although there is speculation that the 09 wrx is pretty beefy in the trans dept. but this has yet to be proven.
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