LazerBlueP5
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Not in a 1/4 mile. STi's pull stock 13.3s.
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Not in a 1/4 mile. STi's pull stock 13.3s.
fastdreams
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As much as I like the MS3, I think the STi is an overall performance improvement.
I'm not interested in drag racing or highway racing so that doesn't apply in my thinking. Neither are a good choice for this type of racing IMO. They will never be "fast" without completely rebuilding at great expense.
At the track - given equal drivers and similar tires, stock for stock or bolt on for bolt on I give the nod to the STi. An excellent AWD system is for me the defining improvement between the two. It really helps power out of corners and achieve a higher corner exit speed which results in a faster lap. But I don't think the MS3 will be too far behind
I'm not interested in drag racing or highway racing so that doesn't apply in my thinking. Neither are a good choice for this type of racing IMO. They will never be "fast" without completely rebuilding at great expense.
At the track - given equal drivers and similar tires, stock for stock or bolt on for bolt on I give the nod to the STi. An excellent AWD system is for me the defining improvement between the two. It really helps power out of corners and achieve a higher corner exit speed which results in a faster lap. But I don't think the MS3 will be too far behind
oaklandopen
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who knew this would turnout to be another fanboi thread?
i personally think that they kept looking better as they changed the body style. at first i didn't like the new hatches, but it didn't take long after getting the ms3 to really appreciate the usefullness of a hatch to a trunk. i think that's why i finally gave in to the hatch look
btw, i wonder who started this whole recent hatch trend. i know they've been around forever but just recently you have the sti, mitsu is doing one with their lancer, ms3 (could have just as easily used the sedan), volvo, audi, etc
i personally think that they kept looking better as they changed the body style. at first i didn't like the new hatches, but it didn't take long after getting the ms3 to really appreciate the usefullness of a hatch to a trunk. i think that's why i finally gave in to the hatch look
btw, i wonder who started this whole recent hatch trend. i know they've been around forever but just recently you have the sti, mitsu is doing one with their lancer, ms3 (could have just as easily used the sedan), volvo, audi, etc
Well, the GTI has been around forever, and its sales have been good enough that other brands have seen a market for it. I'm all for it, personally. Small cars with sick power and great utility/versatility- everyone wins!
And hot hatches are all the rage in Europe, so it was just a matter of time before it caught on over here as well.
And hot hatches are all the rage in Europe, so it was just a matter of time before it caught on over here as well.
04 was the first year, and they only got better performance wise. 06 is the fastest year tested yet when motortrend ran a 13 flat stock.
I pulled a 1.7 60' time at new england dragway with crappy all season tires, and did consistantly 1.7-1.8. obviously their are plenty of factors that go into each race, but it really isnt that hard to get great launches from awd. personally I think going from a speed3 to a sti is a great upgrade
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Nismothecat
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no matter whant anyone says, when you start modding the cars the STi wins. FWD can only hold so much power and there is no way to fix FWD.
07Speedfreak
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Congrats on the new car !
I went from an 07Speed3 to a 09 WRX (premium) and never looked back. The car is a blast to drive any conditions 365days per year. I love it. Went 12.9@105 with a pretty soft launch with a Cobb dp and a tune. Gotta love it.
Oh yeah....And they beefed up the tranny on the WRX in 09. Still not as strong as the 6speed tranny of the STI's but at least its stronger than what it used to be.
I went from an 07Speed3 to a 09 WRX (premium) and never looked back. The car is a blast to drive any conditions 365days per year. I love it. Went 12.9@105 with a pretty soft launch with a Cobb dp and a tune. Gotta love it.
Oh yeah....And they beefed up the tranny on the WRX in 09. Still not as strong as the 6speed tranny of the STI's but at least its stronger than what it used to be.
07Speedfreak
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new ones do 13.5
Lil_vicious559
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They both are weak, and to be honest the WRX is better. STi= FAIL! think I'm joking, go post on nasioc and find out for you're self
Yeah that. A MS3 will not lose to a stock STi from a roll
Probably or he's redlining his MS3 in every gear which really=FAIL
STI's are faster from a dig and in the 1/4mile. On a rolling start and from 0-155 NO.
A STi run's
4.5sec 60mph
13.3@101-102mph in the 1/4mile.
A MS3 run's
5.7sec 60mph
14.1@100-103mph depending on driver
From a roll it's NO contest, the MS3 will always be ahead!
You're not comprehending what were talking about here. Of course the AWD gives the STi and advantage. You really want to compare numbers. Ok I'll break it down for you
A STi has 300hp vs the MS3's 263hp (flywheel)hp
STi weighs about 3298lbs AWD usually loses about a 22% drivetrain loss.
300 x .22%=66
300 - 66=234awhp
3298/234awhp= 14.09lbs per Hp
MS3 weighs 3150lbs FWD usually loses about a 15% drivetrain loss
263 x .15%= 39.45
263 - 39.45=223.55whp
3150/223.55whp= 14.09lbs per hp
You can clearly see the difference between the two, which is nothing as terms as hp pound for pound. Now I'm not debating the STi is faster from a dig because it is, it has 37more hp and AWD.
From a roll the STi will lose (Stock vs Stock). This is the My argument!
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Wow put a downpipe and a tune on a '09 WRX and they go 12.9?!? That is just annoying! LOL good job buddy. Those new WRXs are no joke. I was just talking to a guy at the track who just picked his up, (also former Speed3 owner) then he ran a 13.7 stock.
I raced an '08 WRX from a light, and I made it seem like he was standing still- obiviously the new one is much quicker. I have yet to run an STI or '09/'10 WRX, but if I do, I hope it is from a roll! How did your top end improve with the tune?
I raced an '08 WRX from a light, and I made it seem like he was standing still- obiviously the new one is much quicker. I have yet to run an STI or '09/'10 WRX, but if I do, I hope it is from a roll! How did your top end improve with the tune?
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Um yea I went from an MS3 to an Evox EVO X for the win. Nice pick up though I love those sti but I like the 06 body style a lil more just because it looks Different.
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If the new STI's do 13.5 in the 1/4 mile, my friend with an 06' WRX with just a downpipe did 13.3.
07Speedfreak
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I can tell you that I will do better times. I only did 4 runs and was trying to launch just by slipping the clutch at around 3300rpm or so. So basicly so I dont hurt the car too much. Next time I go, I'll launch higher and more aggressive and I think I can squeeze another .2 on my previous time. If I can hit 12.7 with a dp and a tune I will be really happy !
And basicly a stock 09 wrx is suppose to trap 100-101mph. Mine trapped 105mph twice. So basicly I gained a good 4mph with that. Top end improve a lot. Pulls harder in every gear. I dont feel it pulls like the MS3 from a roll though. It would be close.
I see you've taken part in SAE FORMULA, what engineering are you and how did you guys do this summer ?
you could not be more wrong. I have done this race with my 06 sti when it was stock and my bro in laws 07 speed3. From a roll I still beat him by 2+ car lengths. I have raced 2 speed 3s and both had the same outcome. Magazine or bench racing is fine, but nothing beats the real thing...
He added an injen cai and motor mount, and I had a catted downpipe and basic tune, and I beat him like a rented mule. I would say easily 3-4 car lengths from a roll. for what its worth the 08 sti in the edmunds video trapped around 102.5 I believe
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heres a classic video matchup of these two cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2-78hZlJfg&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2-78hZlJfg&feature=fvw
wow...people get crazy on these debates. I drove a 05 white sti before..that car pulled hard..i test drove the first 09 wrx silver in seattle when it got off the truck..that car was very fun to drive as well. And now im currently a owner of a 2009 speed 3. I think if we put our bias's aside everyone who has common sence and a fair amount of inteligence as well as being older than 16 can prabaly agree that these cars are different and fun in thier own ways. my driving experience with these cars would rate these cars as such.
speed-sti,ms3,09 wrx.
handling-sti,09 wrx *barely*,ms3.
interior-ms3,sti,wrx
exterior-sti,ms3,wrx
Course the looks of the car depends on the person..we all have different tastes, so thats a personal level thing. its all good.
Okies back to the sti and ms3 subject. I felt the sti simply pulled harder in stock form than my ms3 did...did it blow the doors of it? NO..the feeling was slight..but still there..now with my current mods My car pulls much harder than a stock sti..its still no awd and living in washington I would love it..but ohwell. Ill be real here..if i could pay the same amount of money for both cars..id get the sti..thats not really hard imo..but I got my ms3 gt model brand new for 21,000 and I couldnt find a sti anywhere close in that range..and all the wrx hatchbacks were 26-29000 bucks..the hatchback is spose to be a 500 dollar option from subaru over the sedan..but the dealers..god bless thier lovly souls sell the hatches like couple grand more than the sedans so yeah good times.anyhoooooooo...both cars are awesome..and when you look at the numbers..thier pretty dam close..Just accept the fact that all in all in STOCK form the sti is superior car in terms of what it can do!..BUT whats more inportant is why you love your ms3 or sti or whatever you have...either was you slice it..both cars are awesome for the money..with less than 25 grand you get the ms3 with 263 hp and 280tq that can haul your kids around to the store or take it to the track and with bolt ons put up some pretty dam good numbers. or the sti while still hovering around 35 grand new..still is more of a car than most under 50.. 300+ hp awd..take it through the snow or mud and enjoy 4 wheels powering your car through all sorts of terrain and then get on the freeway rip through the gears and enjoy awesome satisfaction that most car owners can only dream of...honestly its a win win factor with both cars. anyways...CONGRATS! on your new sti!
speed-sti,ms3,09 wrx.
handling-sti,09 wrx *barely*,ms3.
interior-ms3,sti,wrx
exterior-sti,ms3,wrx
Course the looks of the car depends on the person..we all have different tastes, so thats a personal level thing. its all good.
Okies back to the sti and ms3 subject. I felt the sti simply pulled harder in stock form than my ms3 did...did it blow the doors of it? NO..the feeling was slight..but still there..now with my current mods My car pulls much harder than a stock sti..its still no awd and living in washington I would love it..but ohwell. Ill be real here..if i could pay the same amount of money for both cars..id get the sti..thats not really hard imo..but I got my ms3 gt model brand new for 21,000 and I couldnt find a sti anywhere close in that range..and all the wrx hatchbacks were 26-29000 bucks..the hatchback is spose to be a 500 dollar option from subaru over the sedan..but the dealers..god bless thier lovly souls sell the hatches like couple grand more than the sedans so yeah good times.anyhoooooooo...both cars are awesome..and when you look at the numbers..thier pretty dam close..Just accept the fact that all in all in STOCK form the sti is superior car in terms of what it can do!..BUT whats more inportant is why you love your ms3 or sti or whatever you have...either was you slice it..both cars are awesome for the money..with less than 25 grand you get the ms3 with 263 hp and 280tq that can haul your kids around to the store or take it to the track and with bolt ons put up some pretty dam good numbers. or the sti while still hovering around 35 grand new..still is more of a car than most under 50.. 300+ hp awd..take it through the snow or mud and enjoy 4 wheels powering your car through all sorts of terrain and then get on the freeway rip through the gears and enjoy awesome satisfaction that most car owners can only dream of...honestly its a win win factor with both cars. anyways...CONGRATS! on your new sti!
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