DYNO'd my new DSM AFC!!!!!

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I dyno'd my DSM AFC and spent 4 hours tuning the hell out of it. I found a Mom and Pop dyno shop over in Crestview FL called Adam's Automotive. The owner brought me in on a Saturday when he was closed just so he could work solely on my MSP. He said he never saw one before and likes to help people that have something different. He said he usually only get's Hondas and I guess they get boring. LOL!

My AFC came pre-loaded with the Stock Super Map that was slightly enriched to prevent leaning from my mods. The reason DSM and I agreed to that was because my MAF was in the pressure side and my A/F guage was hitting lean spikes under boost.

I was still learning the software and I didn't save that map. I wish I did.

DSM, if you are reading this is there any way you can send me a copy of the map you used?

Anyways, Johnny, the Dyno operator ran the car on this map, and said that it was a well written map and was surprised at how well it worked but in his words said... I can do better LOL!

We were there for about 4 hours and made probably 8 or 9 passes. The first time we modified the map we changed a range of cells by 10%.... bad idea. The AFR jumped from a 10.3 to a 14. He stopped the dyno as soon as the WB read past 12. We learned that the MAF is extremely sensitive and that 1 ~ 2% is all we should change at any given time.

After about 4 hours, we made SIGNIFICANT TQ increases and about 10 more HP from the original super map to my new map.

Here are some tidbits of advice for those of you that just bought the AFC and want to tune it out:

1. The cell values that you have to manipulate are very sensitive, changing a value from 9.1 to 9.2 can change the AFR by .5 or more. So only make a few changes at a time and keep them small. The software can make the changes for you and if you use the "Change by" option, go no more than 2%.

2. MAKE SURE you go through the options menu and check the system settings and engine settings! That is crucial. It will change back to default if you open a new customer and sometimes even if you just restart the program. I didn't check it once and when I was working with a map, I tried to load it and it said database error. Then when I tried to reload the DB again, it just kept saying DB error... it destroyed my file irreparably. In my case I had to start over twice until I figured it out. Another symtom is that the map will show 10's everywhere, that is a bad sign. When I saw that I thought that DSM sold me the AFC as a placebo... LMAO!

3. Remember that when you read the data from the ECU, it WILL overwrite back to the file you have saved!!! This is why I don't have the original map to share with everyone. If you want to back up the map that is currently on the AFC, make a new customer, read map from the ECU, then close the customer and save that DB for a rainy day. Then open a new customer again, read from ECU and then start making changes.

Below are some attachments. For those of you who do not have the R4 software, I have pasted the map to an excel spreadsheet and is "my final map.xls".

For those of you who do have the R4 software, I included "kelly 2.zip". In order to open it you need winzip. The map is inside the archive. The reason I did that is because you can only upload certain extensions.

I am scanning the dyno charts now and will post them in my next thread.
 

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Fudgie said:
You can download the orginal map from his website: www.airflowlogistics.com

The map that was given to me was not the same as the one from the site. We had concerns of hitting too lean because of my open exhaust and MAF sitting on the pressure side with 2.5 ID piping. John intentionally enrichened my MAP before shipping. I would really like to have been able to compare the two maps and let everyone see how we improved his.
 
Dyno Charts

Ok below are the charts. I got rid of the other lines and left just the first run with the original map and then our final product. On the TQ the dark blue was the starting run and the aqua was the final product.

We couldn't get the AFR's super imposed at the time. If you guys really really really want those charts and the demand is high enough for them, I can drive the 40 mins back over with a floppy and get that chart for you.

But if you can do me a favor and take my word on this, the A/F is roughly 14 until we hit about 2 psi. Then it drops sharply to 11.3 and then varies from 11.5 to 11.9 with the average being 11.8 all the way through. My dyno tech spent hours fine tuning the curve and made an impressively smooth line. In the end he only charged my for 2 hours.

Now you may notice that on the TQ chart, it appears that we lost TQ on the highest end... we know that is incorrect as a matter of fact impossible because we were hitting 195's at 6K all day and when that reading was taken, we were done messing with the high end numbers over 2 hours before that. We NEVER had to adjust any voltages above 6000 rpms.

The engine was getting heat soaked and the blower he had sitting on top of the engine between runs was getting too hot. I would have had to swap out the manifold blower and wait 15 mins to get that peak to be accurate again. I wasn't about to spend $130 for another hour just to see something I knew to be true.

Overall, I was slightly disappointed, I really thought I was going to break 200hp... I have modded out the car almost as far as I am willing to go. The only step I can do now is WRX injectors and retune. I guess I could have dyno's it at 11 and see if the injectors would max out...

How much boost are you guys running with the WRX injectors and what is your AFR? It is my understanding that if I get these injectors, I can up the boost on stock rods so long as I keep the AFR's down and I keep the RPM's below red line.

As always feedback is appreciated:)
 

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Fudgie said:
Oh, ok. Thats cool he hooked you up. How did the original map feel?

I knew it was rich. It was backfiring and this may sound hard to believe for some people, but I can hear it in the engine as I am driving... I can't really describe it. But my feelings were correct, the original AFR's were low 10's.
 
ZenProtege said:
good write up, how much of a gain did you see?

Well since I didn't have a base line from before I installed the AFC, I am sorry to tell you I really don't know. But from an ass dyno point of view I will say this. When I installed the AFC I immediately noticed a huge difference in power. Then after I tuned it I know that I gained about 8 HP in the middle. If I measure the gain I felt on the way home against what I felt on the way to the dyno and using that as a reference I would speculate that I gained about 15 HP overall.
 
lcruz64 said:
genius I will like to update this thread to include your map if you don't mind, let me know I won't update until you agree.

How could I say NO? LOL! Ofcourse you can! This way I know that the money at the dyno was well spent:)
 
lcruz64 said:
genius I have updated this thread to include your map.
-Thanks

Icruz64... You could have renamed it! LOL!!!!

You may also want to specify the SU SMIC and 2.5 inch pipes...
 
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sickspeed94 said:
dyno time is expensive huh?

130/hr with WB. But I had a really good operator who knew a lot about FI. It was worth every penny just to watch him meticously shape the graphs the way he wanted it.
 
Buy a wideband with data log with that much and go to the dyno to run once and know your power that's it.
 
sickspeed94 said:
HOLY HELL!!! and you spent 4 hours there? that's just shy of 550 bucks for dyno time alone!

Nah, I came in while the shop was closed and the guy wanted to dedicate a day to my car since it was different from what he has seen before. He only charged me for two hours.
 
lcruz64 said:
Buy a wideband with data log with that much and go to the dyno to run once and know your power that's it.

With your own WB, he can dyno and tune for 75 per hour.
 
I would have expected more power running 10psi. I ran mine with Vibrant exhaust and my own map at 185whp at a stock 7psi. The SuperMap yielded 183ish whp, and it's because I think it was pulling timing in the upper RPMs. At 10psi I would probably break 210whp. I'm going to play around with some of the library maps and see what the results are. Fudgie sent me his map and I'm going to try it out and I'll also try out the Winter FMIC map and compare the two.
 
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