This might start some s***

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Rather that debating over a flash animation geared towards making you decide one way, read through all the analyses here and draw your own conclusions

Pentagon 9/11 Fraud?

 

[Rism]

they went right thru the building, the engines are attached to the airplane via the wings, if anything, the wings and engines would go a few feet deeper than the fuselgae, the wings are what bare the weight of the entire airplane and at full throtle attached to the wings, they are still propelling themsleves forwar, at the speeds the aircraft is flying the entire thing can succesfully penetrate the building with the minimum aount of visual damage to the outer wall of the building, after it penetrates that first wall, that's when it starts shredding into pieces, the fire burned until the next day, the plane was loaded for an over 2000 nautical mile flight, there was enough fuel to create a fire with temperatures high enough to use the steel as a fuel, not just it be melted but vaporised. You remember the world trade center, TWR #1 was hit with this same type of aircraft, the wings engines fuselage and everything penetrated the building. An airplane is made entirely of steel, mostly aluminium and composite materials, which only take 600 degrees celcius for them to melt and burn away. With the steel of the building and the walls and office supplies, there was enough fuel to keep the fire going and for it to get stronger and stronger. The airplane litteraly disentegrated into the building and everything was burned. If you leave something on fire long enough, it will all burn away

That theory would be true but the plane obviously did not penetrate the building considering there is minimal to no damage on the face of the pentagon, its like the 80 ton 757 hit it and dissapeared. There is 1 small hole but thats no even 15x15 feet, while a 757's size is twice that.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

It wasn't a debate about the flash animation..it was more of a generalized discussion.

 

[mspdfreak]

Wow, another conspiracy...
Tell that to the people (including my sister) who heard and felt the explosion, and saw people burn to death. Show me the wreckage of any other flight that impacted into a building at over 300mph and still had a recognizable part...
The next thing you know, you'll be saying it was all planned by Bush.

 

[4001]

Still sounds sketchy, Im with Spicy on this, Some debris from the plane would have been left somewhere, all of it would not have been burned in the fire or gone straight into the pentagon. The tail section should have left something. They have all this footage of the planes going into the towers and the one that crashed in PA, but the FBI goes to the gas station, a hotle building and the Interstate cameras and grab the tapes??? I dont think all of Spet 11<SUP>th</SUP> will ever be completely figured out, its harder to figure out than the JKF assassination.

 

[Mikey444]

That theory would be true but the plane obviously did not penetrate the building considering there is minimal to no damage on the face of the pentagon, its like the 80 ton 757 hit it and dissapeared. There is 1 small hole but thats no even 15x15 feet, while a 757's size is twice that.

UH? a 757 as wide as 30 feet, where did you loose your brain. The 757 isnt even 15 feet wide by the way it's 12 ft 4inches or 3.1 meters wide.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/technical.html

 

[Mikey444]

Show me the wreckage of any other flight that impacted into a building at over 300mph and still had a recognizable part...

It hit at over 500 mph

 

[RyanJayG]

we honestly dont have much to compare this too... so people who say " it should have more debris" are really just guessing... no one is a FULL expert on this.. so who can say "It should look like X" etc.

 

[Mikey444]

Last note, the impact of the crash of the airplane was harder than any other crash into a building other than the twin towers, the wings burned aways almost instantly, they are what hold the fuel. the wings are made entirely of aluminum and composite materials, it does not take much heat to burn them.

 

[Rism]

Wow, another conspiracy...
Tell that to the people (including my sister) who heard and felt the explosion, and saw people burn to death. Show me the wreckage of any other flight that impacted into a building at over 300mph and still had a recognizable part...
The next thing you know, you'll be saying it was all planned by Bush.

Cool off man we arent saying this didnt happen, we are just saying it didnt happen the way they said it did and im deffinetly not saying bush planned, that moron has a 91 IQ a;; he is is a teleprompter reading monkey.

Also jet engines dont disintigrate into dust on impacc as some of you pressume.

 

[Mikey444]

The engines are what propel everything forward, with there round shape at that speed they would go right into the building. the wings would vaporise by the fuel outside, most of the pictures are not clear, they could of even been photoshopped, this clip did not show any good quality pictures or half descent pictures, just blurry images, the Pentagons camera would have not turned to the right to see the airplane coming in it is in a fixed position recording something in one direction, how do you explain the camera being turned to the right all of a sudden and recording something in another direction.

 

[Rism]

The engines are what propel everything forward, with there round shape at that speed they would go right into the building. the wings would vaporise by the fuel outside, most of the pictures are not clear, they could of even been photoshopped, this clip did not show any good quality pictures or half descent pictures, just blurry images, the Pentagons camera would have not turned to the right to see the airplane coming in it is in a fixed position recording something in one direction, how do you explain the camera being turned to the right all of a sudden and recording something in another direction.

Dont blame use for crappy video quality we arent the ones who are witholding evidence of the attacks, the FBI is. ALso I dont think the cmaera turned I think the guy just zoomed in on that part of the frame. Which is a vapor trail, you can see it dissapate in the next few frames.

 

[changedman]

well you entirely believe part of the conspiracy- who says the FBI even HAS surveillence footage? prove they are holding it back! the tables have turned. SHOW me PROOF (other than the CONSPIRACY video) that the fbi is withholding tapes.

 

[pr5owner]

wow maybe it was bunchie and domo kun!!!!!!!

 

[RyanJayG]

think of the domokuns.........

 

[mspHtown]

i think everyone here is dead wrong. this was definitely not a missile or a plane. Terrorists and the government had nothing to do wiht this. in fact, aliens from some unknown planet trillions of light years away shot a laser beam towards earth (just for the hell of it) and somehow it hit the pentagon and carved a "neat" hole through it. now those aliens are just sitting back and watching us sit here and debate about another conspiracy through their intergalactic televisions.

 

[REMillers]

This was actually a better produce "video" on what is a common grounds for people to discuss.
But having actually been to the crash site, and seen the damage it was a large plane not a missile.

The whole windows not poping bit is a joke, the new sections have special windows constructed to withstand huge pressure.

Got to tour the section shortly before it reopen after the crash with my dad (explosives expert for MARCORPSYSCOM) and guy in charge of reconstruction and the fuel did spread through out the section and rings. In fact the little girl on board was found several floors up and directly over the crash. How? Her body was propeled by the developing explosion.

But this debate will go on forever no matter what evidence is released.

 

[pr5owner]

i think everyone here is dead wrong. this was definitely not a missile or a plane. Terrorists and the government had nothing to do wiht this. in fact, aliens from some unknown planet trillions of light years away shot a laser beam towards earth (just for the hell of it) and somehow it hit the pentagon and carved a "neat" hole through it. now those aliens are just sitting back and watching us sit here and debate about another conspiracy through their intergalactic televisions.

that is correct, it is the demons from the illuminati conspiracy!!!!!!! THEY STARTED IT!!!

 

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

Cool off man we arent saying this didnt happen, we are just saying it didnt happen the way they said it did and im deffinetly not saying bush planned, that moron has a 91 IQ a;; he is is a teleprompter reading monkey.

Also jet engines dont disintigrate into dust on impacc as some of you pressume.

i dont mean to start another debate, but what are your basis that bush is a moron and where do you see that states he has a 91 IQ, last time i checked people with 91 IQ's dont get into ivy league schools. He may lack some common sense but that has nothing to do with IQ.

 

[anarchistchiken]

Holy crap I dont even know where to start...

Despite very convincing evidence, N644AA which is the registration of the airliner that hit the pentagon is none existent on this planet as of that day, if a plane did not hit the pentagon, how did they confiscate and dispose of one of American Airlines jet. Registration numbers can be changed but than what happened to the aircraft itself N644AA which is no longer on this planet or has been renumbered, are you guys going to impose the FAA and American Airlines was in this conspirancy as well? What happened to 64 lives that took that flight, they were murdered? How were they kidnapped?

Every radar system besides military radar doesnt actually see the planes. They see the planes electronic trandsponder system. So all you have to do is swith off that planes transponder and tune another one to the same frequency and they radar will show the same plane going wherever you want it to go, no matter where the actualy plane is.
How woudl they get rid of it? Well, theres this big thing near Washington called the Atlantic Ocean. You shoot something down over the atlantic and no one looks for it, that thing is gone.

when the second tower in NY was hit,a 767 that hit the second tower, the nose of the plane went right thru the building and creeping out on the other side.

That's true, but the wings and the rest of the plane also came through the other side. When the planes entered the towers, you could see the outlines of the wings stretching out across the buildings.

And I really think you're wrong about the instant cross-qualification thing between 757 and 767 planes. Lets take into account that, though the flight deck layout is the same, the 767 is longer, wider, taller, faster, and the cockpit is more advanced. I might be wrong, but I really think that there is at least SOME difference in the qualification requirements.

The last note that I will add, is that a missile can never do that much damage with such a big explosion, you would need at least 2 bombs dropped from 40 000 + feet in the air. Dont be misled by facts with blurry camera images, think of what is more logical, I am in aviation, working my way up to be a comercial airline pilot, I would know more about this than anyone on here.

"a missle" is a very broad definition. I guarentee that a Saturn 5 rocket with a 5000 lb warhead on the front could have gone straight through that entire structure. And what difference does the height the bombs are dropped at make? Bombs, just like everything else, has a certain maximum speed they can reach due to the drag of the air flowing over the surface of the object. Any basic physics student should know that. By studyig to be a commercail airline pilot you would know more about military ordinance than anyone on this board?

they [the wings and engines] went right thru the building, the engines are attached to the airplane via the wings,

If they went through the building, then why arent there exti holes in any of the concentric rings?

if anything, the wings and engines would go a few feet deeper than the fuselgae,

Again, the fuselage went all the way through half the building, but there are certainly no holes for wings at the exit.

at the speeds the aircraft is flying the entire thing can succesfully penetrate the building with the minimum aount of visual damage to the outer wall of the building,

That's kinda contradicting your point about how explosive and volitile the engines/wings are when they collide with something like that massive brick wall.

there was enough fuel to create a fire with temperatures high enough to use the steel as a fuel, not just it be melted but vaporised.

The fact that the possibily was there is true. I mean jet fuel fires can burn as hot as 17,000 degrees if the conditions are right. But if it burned that hot and that long, then there would have been NO WAY that the fire fighters could have gotten within 500 feet of the building in the first hour after it occured, and there would have been NO possibility for survival for the people in the offices near the impact site, and a few people did survive. Also, with those kinds of temperatures, the green-yellow primer peopl have been pointing out on random parts would have been totally erased from the metal even if the metal itself was intact.

An airplane is made entirely of steel, mostly aluminium and composite materials,

Good call

With the steel of the building and the walls and office supplies, there was enough fuel to keep the fire going and for it to get stronger and stronger.

Again, at the temps we're talking about, office supplies would have vaporized instantly and would not have been a factor in a fire of that magnitude. And the steel as a fuel could have factored into the equation for a few hours at most, while most of the fuel was still there. But again, if the temps had been that hig, there is no way fire fighters could have gotten in there as soon as they did.

all air disasters, the airplane is skidding along the ground or on top of a building and gradually getting worst and worst so the airplane breaks apart in many areas

That's a vast overgeneralization. Many planes skid before they disintegrate, but I'd say that MOST of them break apart as soon as they impace the ground. It's rare that a plane's in one piece 500 ft after it hits the ground

Tell that to the people (including my sister) who heard and felt the explosion, and saw people burn to death. Show me the wreckage of any other flight that impacted into a building at over 300mph and still had a recognizable part...
The next thing you know, you'll be saying it was all planned by Bush.

I will tell your sister and anyone else this. It might upset them, but it upset me when I learned that Santa wasnt real, or that my parents had sex. There are lots of things in life we have to realize are just not true.

Well, look around NYC after the planes hit the towers. Even though both planes hit solidly and fully into the towers, there were parts and pieces as large as engines and full langin gear assemblies, as well as other bg chunks, scattered around many blocks.

Bush didnt plan it, he's too stupid to pull something like this off. It was Cheney.

Also jet engines dont disintigrate into dust on impacc as some of you pressume.

The outer turbine housing for one of the engines was one of the only pieces they found at the pentagon. Although the outer turine housing for an engine of that size weighs about 50 lbs, so it would be incredibly diffiult to throw it on the ground from another source.

well you entirely believe part of the conspiracy- who says the FBI even HAS surveillence footage? prove they are holding it back! the tables have turned. SHOW me PROOF (other than the CONSPIRACY video) that the fbi is withholding tapes.

Are you serious? Ummm, try the dozens of people who were interviewed on CNN, MSNBC, even Fox news network and talked about having their camcorders/workplace surveilance camers/even still cameras being confiscated by the FBI and NSA and Secret Service.

i dont mean to start another debate, but what are your basis that bush is a moron and where do you see that states he has a 91 IQ, last time i checked people with 91 IQ's dont get into ivy league schools. He may lack some common sense but that has nothing to do with IQ.

Bush is an idiot. I'm not a huge fan of Kerry, but I think that Oprah would do a better job at being the president than bush is. And you say that not many people with 91 IQ get into Ivey League schools? Well, not many kids with sub-100 IQs are sons of one of the most powerful men in the world. And dont fool yourself. Even before he was president back then, Bush sr. had connection up the ass and could do about anything he wanted.