2016 CX5 better "driving machine" over 2017

[Monterra]

CRV = compact recreational vehicle and imo all vehicles can and should have some degree of fun to drive-ness. The cx5 (yes, still) does a better job vs the crv and all in that category plain and simple. It loses in other (more important ones to most in this segement) so that and a handful of other reasons why it won't ever sell in crv like figures. Is it less of a vehicle because of that, imo no but it is a measure less in several big ones..space, comfort, convenience of ownership, throw resale in too. Mazda offers something a little (not alot)different in the affordable cuv segment and that is driving goodness. That's not to say everything else sucks, but to me the cx5 feels better, steers better, is more natural and more playful on a twisty two lane. Its good in other ways too but if driving is not a top 1 or 2 item its probably not in ppls top 5 contenders. I wanted to take it for a recent long beach weekend..too tight, took wifes HL with all the crap we(she) still needs(wants) to bring along, new crv likely would've handled it.

LOCK THE THREAD (stopwar) haha

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

And btw, seriously?

https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123859473-CX-5-Lounge-Moderation&highlight=

I'm done responding to any of your posts. Not worth it.

And the link is extremely ironic in light of a recent events/posts..this is exactly why I don't needlessly (or other mods) hammer down.. can't complain about something and then participate in a similiar action...

 

[Unobtanium]

2" pecker? No wonder you're so bitter.

Rofl. Just kidding. But you left yourself open for that one.

(cryhard)

With a 2 inch pecker, would you think your words could do any worse to a guy? Rofl

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

Let's try to get this back on topic

 

[Monterra]

Having logged 100k in 07 crv and 68k now in 14 cx5 they're both plenty good for my basic needs of awd, fe, and costs. I traded some practicality for a bit better more engaging driving experience and that trade has worked out very well for me. cx5 is not our largest vehicle, if it was that trade wouldn't have been so great, even less so now what with 6 less cubes is it? The half second to 60 thing..overdone imo, i didnt feel it and even if so tested together with exact same spec and conditions its still a great (not terribly slow cuv)..the braking bothers me more and is the standout fail dynamically vs the crv.

 

[Unobtanium]

Having logged 100k in 07 crv and 68k now in 14 cx5 they're both plenty good for my basic needs of awd, fe, and costs. I traded some practicality for a bit better more engaging driving experience and that trade has worked out very well for me. cx5 is not our largest vehicle, if it was that trade wouldn't have been so great and a bit less so now with 6 less cubes is it? The half second thing..overdone its still a great (not terribly slow cuv)..the braking bothers me more and the standout fail dynamically vs the crv.

That's my main knock. The 2017 is less safe, slower, less stable...that's pretty lame.

 

[jhu8]

That's my main knock. The 2017 is less safe, slower, less stable...that's pretty lame.

yeah, that's pretty much why I made this post in the first place. Just that. As much as the 17 CX5 improved, it still went backwards in areas it definitely shouldn't have. I think Mazda will fix it with the 18, 19 though. First iteration of a new style is usually the worst anyway.

What do you guys think the first thing on the list should be for the 18 CX5 to get back on track? I think they either really need to give a little extra power, or really focus on improving mpg. I know you can only improve so much but where is that skyactive 2.0 engine?

 

[banjos-n-beer]

GF has pretty much decided to keep her 2015 CRV after lease end versus upgrading to the newer model. She thinks it's just as ugly as hers, if not worse.

Plus her CRV has been 100% trouble free (aside from the random vibrations at idle that don't bother her).

Like Uno, a vehicle in this segment is merely a transportation device in her eyes.

 

[NelsonLewis]

GF has pretty much decided to keep her 2015 CRV after lease end versus upgrading to the newer model. She thinks it's just as ugly as hers, if not worse.

Plus her CRV has been 100% trouble free (aside from the random vibrations at idle that don't bother her).

Like Uno, a vehicle in this segment is merely a transportation device in her eyes.

Smart.

 

[Xeler8ing]

yeah, that's pretty much why I made this post in the first place. Just that. As much as the 17 CX5 improved, it still went backwards in areas it definitely shouldn't have. I think Mazda will fix it with the 18, 19 though. First iteration of a new style is usually the worst anyway.

What do you guys think the first thing on the list should be for the 18 CX5 to get back on track? I think they either really need to give a little extra power, or really focus on improving mpg. I know you can only improve so much but where is that skyactive 2.0 engine?

If they fix it, it might only be for USA as rest of the world peoples probably don't have an issue with this really.

Europe is getting cylinder shutdown technology (KF CX-5 with Cylinder Deactivation coming to EU) which gives it slightly more power, torque and fuel economy but this engine at this time is not available elsewhere.

Unless they decide to drop the 2.5L Turbo into the CX-5 which at this time seems unlikely, the next change will be later this decade with the introduction of Mazda Homogeneous charge compression ignition (HCCI) engine

 

[jlx21]

yeah, that's pretty much why I made this post in the first place. Just that. As much as the 17 CX5 improved, it still went backwards in areas it definitely shouldn't have. I think Mazda will fix it with the 18, 19 though. First iteration of a new style is usually the worst anyway.

What do you guys think the first thing on the list should be for the 18 CX5 to get back on track? I think they either really need to give a little extra power, or really focus on improving mpg. I know you can only improve so much but where is that skyactive 2.0 engine?

Ok, getting back on topic. I just want the 2.5T and would consider upgrading when the time comes. I understand the ride softening, sound deadening, etc. to appeal to more buyers, and I'm okay with that. But if no 2.5T, I'm just going to start modding my 16.5, and buy a sedan (Lexus GS F?!) when the CX-5 is paid off.

Current '17 owners act like I'm a hater... I want Mazda to do well! And the CX-5 is my favorite model in the lineup, though I get happy when I see any Mazda3 on the road; it's just disappointment from my end on the new '17. That's all.

 

[banjos-n-beer]

Smart.

Yup. Having said that, she knows the CX5 is sexier and a bit more fun to drive, but she likes to tease me with the following: "how many times have you been back to the dealer?"

Can't argue with that. Plus her frugality allows me a bit more leeway in the fun department. You know what I'm looking at for possible replacement.

 

[mangoconchile]

And btw, seriously?

https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123859473-CX-5-Lounge-Moderation&highlight=

I'm done responding to any of your posts. Not worth it.

Didn't even see this but WOW how pathetic is this? So because someone has a different opinion that makes them a 'CRV owning trolls'? LOL relax dude, were all just having some friendly debate that's all. Not that serious...

 

[yrwei52]

⋯ Current '17 owners act like I'm a hater... I want Mazda to do well! And the CX-5 is my favorite model in the lineup, though I get happy when I see any Mazda3 on the road; it's just disappointment from my end on the new '17. That's all.

Couldn't agree with you more!

The first thing on the list should be for the '18 CX-5 to get back on track? That would be getting rid of the always-on LED headlights!

 

[Xeler8ing]

Couldn't agree with you more!

The first thing on the list should be for the '18 CX-5 to get back on track? That would be getting rid of the always-on LED headlights!

Speak to your law makers!

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[bigtex]

What do you guys think the first thing on the list should be for the 18 CX5 to get back on track?

Back on track. Wow. I think you've pointed it out several times so far along with others. Not so many complaints on the the 17's from actual owners or previous owners of gen1 CX5's like me. Or many pre-2016 owners. It's a small, specific group.

I think the new model will sell just fine and more 2017 owners are showing up everyday it seems.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

There seems to be quite a few new 17 owners showing up on the cx5 club page. I've noticed, from the things they talk about that the buyers seem more interested in ameneties/gimmicks than more traditional mazda virtues. I would say that the thread title is accurate and it's really been following the trend since the 2.5L (2013) intoduction.

 

[brillo54]

As for the 140# thing I agree that a half second does seem a lot but I'll share with you this- the 16.5 touring loaner I just returned will flat smoke my car as it sits w/19s. Lots of variables in tests but one I noticed immediately was adding tire weight and a bit of diameter vs OE to this car absolutely crushed both acceleration and fe so the 17 has different wheels and tires if weight was gained there in any appreciable form plus the other hundred and whatever #s I believe the .5sec penalty. Gearing hasn't changed so what else would be afoot?

I got behind in my reading here and just read the entire thread so apologies for the late response to your thought but I think you might be on to a portion of the speed decrease. I know what you're saying about wheel/tire weight. I drop 13 lbs per corner when I put on my winter tires/wheels (59 lbs vs. 46 ibs) and that makes a big difference! Now I know there's not that big a difference in the wheels/tires on the 2017 vs the 2016, but Tire Rack says the Toyo A36's are a pound heavier then the A23's they replaced. If the new wheels are heavier too it might explain a small portion of the slower times.

Anyone with 2017 want to weigh a wheel/tire?

 

[Xeler8ing]

There seems to be quite a few new 17 owners showing up on the cx5 club page. I've noticed, from the things they talk about that the buyers seem more interested in ameneties/gimmicks than more traditional mazda virtues. I would say that the thread title is accurate and it's really been following the trend since the 2.5 intoduction.

Probably due to Mazda not emphasizing its true virtues (uhm)

 

[jhu8]

Back on track. Wow. I think you've pointed it out several times so far along with others. Not so many complaints on the the 17's from actual owners or previous owners of gen1 CX5's like me. Or many pre-2016 owners. It's a small, specific group.

I think the new model will sell just fine and more 2017 owners are showing up everyday it seems.

Perhaps I am reading your comment wrong(please let me know if so) but that's exactly what I am talking about. You 17 owners think nothing is wrong with your car. You guys are so defensive when anyone mentions anything remotely negative or what things on the 17 needs to be improved. Every. single. car. has things that needs to be improved. Don't be so sensitive. We're having a legitimate conversation. Your precious purchase isn't somehow made worse if we discuss what needs to be improved for 2018. Jeez.

Like I said before, engine performance and mpg hopefully increase again. At least one of them.