Reviews Monday for 2017s?

[7eregrine]

That depends where you live. I've spent ~15 years in Germany altogether. Not a single windshield replaced. Inside the first 6 months of my time in Colorado, I replaced both cars' windshield. It's relative, and can be a legitimate concern.

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I didn't say, or mean to imply, it doesn't happen. But it isn't all that common. I had a crack in my last cars windshield.
It would have needed to be replaced eventually. I traded it in.

Not sure it's a geographic thing either. +

 

[boandlkramer]

They use pea gravel at least the Springs


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[yrwei52]

Hud

It's the windshield projected display on the new CX-5... and as stated several times, you don't know Mazda requires a special windshield for HUD (and even if it does, insurance covers this so no additional cost). Repeatedly ignoring these points conveniently labels you as a troll so that's handy.

Active Driving Display (HUD) is not invented by Mazda and has been available on many vehicles such as BMW I quoted. If you believe Mazda really invented something new on HUD without special windshield, good for you and us! But I'd think Mazda would mention it on that long introduction video!

And why GT Premium Package for 2017 CX-5 is so expensive then?

 

[jasong7131]

The CRV and CX5 are neck and neck for my next car shop atm. I live in Chicago where gas is expensive, winter is brutal and drivers are super spirited, so I need something that's good on MPG and powerful when I need it to be, the small turbo Honda fits this criteria better than Mazda, but they skipped out pano roof (which I don't care much) and heated steering wheel (which I do care) compares to Canadian. I'm slightly leaning toward Mazda at the moment, but in 6 months the whole picture might totally differ, we will see.

 

[xtrailman]

I watched it over a month ago, i read it as saying don't buy the run out model, or the new model.
Which makes perfect sense to me.

That video was published 0n January 8, 2107 and is telling you to wait for the "upcoming" 2017!! (hand)

 

[joe6864]

Active Driving Display (HUD) is not invented by Mazda and has been available on many vehicles such as BMW I quoted. If you believe Mazda really invented something new on HUD without special windshield, good for you and us! But I'd think Mazda would mention it on that long introduction video!

And why GT Premium Package for 2017 CX-5 is so expensive then?

I'm just calling out that you're assuming things... you don't know for sure. And it's funny that you don't acknowledge the many posts stating insurance covers windows so no cost to the consumer. If there's no cost to replace, why do you repeatedly harp on it?

Seats with more adjustments would be more expensive to replace too (more motors). CRV has remote start... that'll cost $ when it breaks too. See how stupid that argument is?

 

[m8te]

Adding another review to this thread since it's gotten off rails in the last few pages.

The New 2017 Mazda CX-5: Improving on Excellence!
Read more at https://www.auto123.com/en/car-reviews/2017-mazda-cx-5/63472/#LckVkOZwAFYTl2re.99 (Canadian)

For those constantly whining about the shortcomings of the new CX-5, you know who you are and it's obvious it is not the right choice of car for you. That's fine. Just a little friendly advice to purchase another product so that you can enjoy it and be satisfied with what you've gotten for what you had to splash out for in terms of dollars on paper. What is the point of purchasing something you're going to regret about not having and continuously complain about on automotive forums for the entire period of ownership of it.

 

[dougal]

And add Consumer reports to the list:

http://www.consumerreports.org/2017-mazda-cx-5/2017-mazda-cx-5-could-reshuffle-the-small-suv-order/

They are kinda harsh in regards to the outgoing model but absolutely glowing about the new model.

 

[7eregrine]

Wasn't too bad. Dour interior? Hmmm...I may have to look up that term. I thought it meant dreary. Any chance you read that review, Mango? Well here's a snippet for you:

"Following the introduction of the Honda CR-V in late 2017, the all-new 2017 CX-5 is a unique model. Although it isn’t necessarily as sporty as the Ford Escape, our limited driving experience shows it to be more enjoyable to drive than almost every other small SUV on the market. With the quieter, more upscale interior, the popular CX-5 will appeal to an even wider audience."

/EDIT/ Yea, dreary or gloomy. LOL Disagree.

 

[ColoradoDriver]

They use pea gravel at least the Springs


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Yep. Rocks were flying out of the back of a snow plow up in the mountains and cracked my windshield. I was even legitimately really far behind it too.

Honestly it doesn't matter what car you have, expect to be replacing windshields when you live in Colorado.

Frankly I'm just lucky mine lasted 4 years. It held up far better than any other windshield I've had. I was replacing my Jeep's windshield every year.

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[boandlkramer]

all these years in Germany, no new windshields

Two new windshields in COS inside the first months of living there


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[mangoconchile]

The CRV and CX5 are neck and neck for my next car shop atm. I live in Chicago where gas is expensive, winter is brutal and drivers are super spirited, so I need something that's good on MPG and powerful when I need it to be, the small turbo Honda fits this criteria better than Mazda, but they skipped out pano roof (which I don't care much) and heated steering wheel (which I do care) compares to Canadian. I'm slightly leaning toward Mazda at the moment, but in 6 months the whole picture might totally differ, we will see.

You can buy a heating steering wheel as an option. I think its $300. I own a 2017 CRV Touring and have driven a 2016.5 CX-5 so heres a few things to consider:

-Turbo engine provides more power and better MPG then the CX-5. The new 2017 CX-5 has even worse gas mileage then the 2016.5

-The suspension in the CRV is tuned for comfort and smoothness. The CX-5 suspension is tuned more on the 'sportier' side so you will feel potholes and such more easily

-Honda is known for its reliability

-CRV will have better resell value

Let me know if you have any questions.

-CRV offers Apple Carplay/Android Auto, CX-5 does not

-CRV offers live traffic in it's native app, CX-5 does not

 

[ColoradoDriver]

You can buy a heating steering wheel as an option. I think its $300. I own a 2017 CRV Touring and have driven a 2016.5 CX-5 so heres a few things to consider:

-Turbo engine provides more power and better MPG then the CX-5. The new 2017 CX-5 has even worse gas mileage then the 2016.5

-The suspension in the CRV is tuned for comfort and smoothness. The CX-5 suspension is tuned more on the 'sportier' side so you will feel potholes and such more easily

-Honda is known for its reliability

-CRV will have better resell value

Let me know if you have any questions.

-CRV offers Apple Carplay/Android Auto, CX-5 does not

-CRV offers live traffic in it's native app, CX-5 does not

Eh?

Turbo engine will provide more MPG if you drive like granny. Gun it at all and forget about it. I can drive my CX-5 like I am not 95 years old and still have great MPG.

The folks who have already bought a 2017 CX-5 on this forum report same MPG as the old one. There isn't "worse mpg", it's literally new EPA methods of setting the numbers (which dropped them on paper).

Correct on the suspension. Though I thought the CR-V was supposed to be "ride and feel better than the first gen CX-5 now"? Seem to be conflicting yourself again Mango.

The CX-5 has been shown reliable.

No CUV in this class really resales well as has also been discussed and shown in another thread.

Mango is correct in saying the CR-V has crapple carplay and AA. What he failed to mention was all the issues CR-V owners (including himself) have had with it. Supposedly it's coming to the Mazdas.

Yep no live traffic. Mango is correct here.


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[jasong7131]

You can buy a heating steering wheel as an option. I think its $300. I own a 2017 CRV Touring and have driven a 2016.5 CX-5 so heres a few things to consider:

-Turbo engine provides more power and better MPG then the CX-5. The new 2017 CX-5 has even worse gas mileage then the 2016.5

-The suspension in the CRV is tuned for comfort and smoothness. The CX-5 suspension is tuned more on the 'sportier' side so you will feel potholes and such more easily

-Honda is known for its reliability

-CRV will have better resell value

Let me know if you have any questions.

-CRV offers Apple Carplay/Android Auto, CX-5 does not

-CRV offers live traffic in it's native app, CX-5 does not

How does that work? Can you order the heated steering wheel from the dealer and have them install it? That would be great for my needs.

I agree that the 1.5 turbo on the Honda is impressive, but the Mazda engine does felt more linear in power delivery. For a crossover I'd pick the Honda engine. The CRV is likely to have a better resale for been a Honda.

As for the reliability I have to disagree. The 1st gen CX5 is already among the best in reliability, the 2nd gen is pretty much the same car underneath, I think it's reasonable to assume similar reliability scores. The CRV is too new to see any meaningful data yet, however the new Civic which the CRV is heavily related to seems to have quite a few of problems, hopefully Honda has learned a thing or two and fixed it on the CRV.



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[ColoradoDriver]

How does that work? Can you order the heated steering wheel from the dealer and have them install it? That would be great for my needs.

I agree that the 1.5 turbo on the Honda is impressive, but the Mazda engine does felt more linear in power delivery. For a crossover I'd pick the Honda engine. The CRV is likely to have a better resale for been a Honda.

As for the reliability I have to disagree. The 1st gen CX5 is already among the best in reliability, the 2nd gen is pretty much the same car underneath, I think it's reasonable to assume similar reliability scores. The CRV is too new to see any meaningful data yet, however the new Civic which the CRV is heavily related to seems to have quite a few of problems, hopefully Honda has learned a thing or two and fixed it on the CRV.



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Keep in mind the CR-V has a CVT while the CX-5 has the 6-speed auto.

I've never personally found a CVT enjoyable to drive. But YMMV.

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[Dr Kev]

Okay, troll! I'll bite this morning, but only because you asked so nicely. See my responses in bold.

You can buy a heating steering wheel as an option. I think its $300.

Fact check: Try $433 + plus an activation switch + installation. What about rear heated seats? You can't get one at any price on the CR-V.



I own a 2017 CRV Touring and have driven a 2016.5 CX-5 so heres a few things to consider:

-Turbo engine provides more power and better MPG then the CX-5. The new 2017 CX-5 has even worse gas mileage then the 2016.5

Honda compared with Mazda: +3 HP; -6 lb/feet of torque Mazda compared with Honda: -3 HP; + 6lb/feet of torque

Honestly, the CX-5 felt far more responsive than the 2017 CR-V that I test drove. Also, the handling of the CX-5 (plus its solidity and refinement) inspires confidence in driving. The cheap feeling CR-V does not! It feels like it was designed by bean counters and was rushed to market!

-The suspension in the CRV is tuned for comfort and smoothness. The CX-5 suspension is tuned more on the 'sportier' side so you will feel potholes and such more easily

See my comment above. You are talking out of your a$$. The CX-5 combines better handling and ride quality; the CR-V, well, falls short.

-Honda is known for its reliability

Why don't you head on over to vtec.net and check out the reality of Honda reliability. Of course, we have to keep in mind that self-selection bias is an issue with forum posts about problems. Say it for me, Mango. I have faith that you can: SELF-SELECTION BIAS!

-CRV will have better resell value

That's speculation at this point.

Let me know if you have any questions.

-CRV offers Apple Carplay/Android Auto, CX-5 does not

Yes, and they're coming to the CX-5 with retrofit capability. Currently, they're a part of a very laggy infotainment system on the CR-V. Here again, is an example of why the CR-V feels cheap and rushed to market.

-CRV offers live traffic in it's native app, CX-5 does not

At $1,000! Mazda offers adaptive headlights, HUD with traffic sign recognition, power passenger heat height adjustment, 40:20:40 split on the rear seat, G-Vectoring Control, seat back pockets for both front seats, heated rear seats and steering wheel, and more! The Honda? Yeah, maybe those'll get added down the line.

You can buy a heating steering wheel as an option. I think its $300. I own a 2017 CRV Touring and have driven a 2016.5 CX-5 so heres a few things to consider:

-Turbo engine provides more power and better MPG then the CX-5. The new 2017 CX-5 has even worse gas mileage then the 2016.5

-The suspension in the CRV is tuned for comfort and smoothness. The CX-5 suspension is tuned more on the 'sportier' side so you will feel potholes and such more easily

-Honda is known for its reliability

-CRV will have better resell value

Let me know if you have any questions.

-CRV offers Apple Carplay/Android Auto, CX-5 does not

-CRV offers live traffic in it's native app, CX-5 does not

 

[sillyxone]

-Turbo engine provides more power and better MPG then the CX-5. The new 2017 CX-5 has even worse gas mileage then the 2016.5

Yes, Audi, BMW, Lexus, ... all gone the turbo way. However, Mazda consciously decided not to put their turbo engine in the CX-5 because it's against their philosophy for the turbo lag and non-linear response. So, this point is moot for Mazda's target audience.

-Honda is known for its reliability

I always love Honda quality. However, after seeing the Auto Bild's 100,000km tear down test, with Mazda3 being awarded for 3 consecutive years, and the CX-5 being second place after the Audi, I think it's time for Honda to provide some evidences to back up its past reputation. Unless you can provide proofs/citings, you should not use this argument anymore.

-CRV offers Apple Carplay/Android Auto, CX-5 does not

With all the 2017 CX-5 reviews saying the new infotainment is even faster and more responsive, I hope Mazda won't bring AA/AC over to the CX-5 soon, at least not until they make sure it's stable and usable, unlike on the CR-V.

 

[NelsonLewis]

Zing!

 

[zoomzoom1979]

Awesome man, just awesome! (flame)(flame)(flame)

Okay, troll! I'll bite this morning, but only because you asked so nicely. See my responses in bold.

You can buy a heating steering wheel as an option. I think its $300.

Fact check: Try $433 + plus an activation switch + installation. What about heated seats? You can't get one at any price on the CR-V.



I own a 2017 CRV Touring and have driven a 2016.5 CX-5 so heres a few things to consider:

-Turbo engine provides more power and better MPG then the CX-5. The new 2017 CX-5 has even worse gas mileage then the 2016.5

Honda compared with Mazda: +3 HP; -6 lb/feet of torque Mazda compared with Honda: -3 HP; + 6lb/feet of torque

Honestly, the CX-5 felt far more responsive than the 2017 CR-V that I test drove. Also, the handling of the CX-5 (plus its solidity and refinement) inspires confidence in driving. The cheap feeling CR-V does not! It feels like it was designed by bean counters and was rushed to market!

-The suspension in the CRV is tuned for comfort and smoothness. The CX-5 suspension is tuned more on the 'sportier' side so you will feel potholes and such more easily

See my comment above. You are talking out of your a$$. The CX-5 combines better handling and ride quality; the CR-V, well, falls short.

-Honda is known for its reliability

Why don't you head on over to vtec.net and check out the reality of Honda reliability. Of course, we have to keep in mind that self-selection bias is an issue with forum posts about problems. Say it for me, Mango. I have faith that you can: SELF-SELECTION BIAS!

-CRV will have better resell value

That's speculation at this point.

Let me know if you have any questions.

-CRV offers Apple Carplay/Android Auto, CX-5 does not

Yes, and they're coming to the CX-5 with retrofit capability. Currently, they're a part of a very laggy infotainment system on the CR-V. Here again, is an example of why the CR-V feels cheap and rushed to market.

-CRV offers live traffic in it's native app, CX-5 does not

At $1,000! Mazda offers adaptive headlights, HUD with traffic sign recognition, power passenger heat height adjustment, 40:20:40 split on the rear seat, G-Vectoring Control, seat back pockets for both front seats, heated rear seats and steering wheel, and more! The Honda? Yeah, maybe those'll get added down the line.

 

[CX-5um]

-Honda is known for its reliability

Honda has a developed a well deserved reputation for reliability based off its cars from the 80's, 90,s 2000's, ect. So your statement is a fact. Honda is known for its reliability.

Now is the CRV more reliable than the CX-5? Before we can truly answer that we need metrics to support that statement. Not hearsay. Not 90-day surveys of opinions but rather metrics of actual repairs. Engine and transmission related repairs. I wish there were more concrete metrics to compare any car. True Delta appears to be a concise source but it requires a login account to access. I posted findings for cached webpages though.

True Delta Metrics of reported repairs:

CX-5 Repair Breakdown
0% engine repairs
22% Transmission
80% Body and Trim
80% of repairs cost under $100.
1% of repairs cost more than $500. (The repair cost chart excludes repairs made under warranty, do-it-yourself repairs, and repair trips that include maintenance.)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-CX-5/problems-1093+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

CRV Repair breakdown
36% were engine repairs
0% were transmission repairs (too bad juddering cant be repaired. Considered normal by Honda )
39% Electrical and AC
27% of repairs cost more than $500 (The repair cost chart excludes repairs made under warranty, do-it-yourself repairs, and repair trips that include maintenance.)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...a-CR-V/problems-110+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us