The Subaru Outback Wins

Oh yeah, sorry, you misunderstood me.. I meant rare on dealer lots/hard to find to purchase. Just did a Cars.com search and there are 40 3.6Rs on lots within a 500-mile radius of me, and that includes all of the Chicago metropolitan area. To compare, same search parameters, there are 646 Outbacks (of any kind) and 3,369 Mazda CX-5s ( of any kind) within the same area.
I still don't find that rare. Our definitions just vary, is all.
 
I searched this post for the word "rare" and it was only used twice, both by you. Afraid you misunderstood me. I never said they were "rare", only that you have to order them. They are hard to find on dealer lots for purchase, not on the street.

As an example: just did a Cars.com search and there are 40 3.6Rs on lots within a 500-mile radius of me, and that includes all of the Chicago metropolitan area. To compare, same search parameters, there are 646 Outbacks (of any kind) and 3,369 Mazda CX-5s ( of any kind) within the same area.

See my edited response. I never used the word.
 
See my edited response. I never used the word.

The 3.6R is a hard find right now, not sure how you drew that conclusion. It would be pretty difficult to find a brand new 2015 3.6R now, as they have ceased orders for the 2015 model and will be moving on to 2016 in July. I think there are 3 in the entire city (and suburbs) of St. Louis right now, spread over 4 dealerships. If you have particular options and colors in mind, you really have to order one to get what you want.

Let's not mince words. "Rare" is the word that well fits "a hard find" and "difficult to find".

Definition 3 from Merriam - Websters : :seldom occurring or found*
 
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Let's not mince words. "Rare" is the word that well fits "a hard find" and "difficult to find".

Definition 3 from Merriam - Websters : :seldom occurring or found*

And after I said "a hard find", what did I say in the following sentences? Your tactic is called taking something out of context. But nice try.
 
And after I said "a hard find", what did I say in the following sentences? Your tactic is called taking something out of context. But nice try.

You're right. They are commonly available to people willing to drive an hour or three. Lets move on.
 
I think I've said my peace about our choice to get a Subaru. Thanks and good luck, everyone!

odds are, it should serve you fine. I've never heard anything bad about Subaru, except the new BRZ, and a friend of mine has one and loves it. Still dunno what could be so unreliable about it, but that's another thread.
 
Subaru USA sales revenues are about the same as Mazda USA, each roughly 2%. Honda and Toyota are each approximately 13% of USA market.
 
Finding a thread about a problem is not very hard. However, if you find several threads with many posts, then it means there is some issue.
One of the above threads have 55 pages of posts. Seems like an issue to me.

FYI, this H6 engine is on its way out, soon to be replaced by a more efficient alternative.
Also, the CVT in this H6 car is brand new, first year. Are you sure you want to buy a brand new transmission on its first year?
 
Finding a thread about a problem is not very hard. However, if you find several threads with many posts, then it means there is some issue.
One of the above threads have 55 pages of posts. Seems like an issue to me.

FYI, this H6 engine is on its way out, soon to be replaced by a more efficient alternative.
Also, the CVT in this H6 car is brand new, first year. Are you sure you want to buy a brand new transmission on its first year?

Did you read the posts? Most say no such problems noticed. And how many posts were from 2015? And the CVT isn't so much brand new as perfected from previous models. So yes, I'm sure. (cheers2)
 
Well I have been on Subaru forums for over 10 years and I still go there everyday because I like the Subaru community, I had 2 subies. Let me tell you this is the first time I hear that there is a problem with H6 from subies, and on Forums problems pop up a lot (just look at 2.5L problems). There maybe problems here and there but it is like all manufacturer, you can get lemons with any brands. Personally I would buy an H6 anytime without being scared of oil burning at all.
I agree. I have been following the Subaru forums for months, and what I hear from them (as well as numerous car sites) is that Subaru's H6 is extremely dependable, perfectly balanced, and smooth and silk.
Really? This is the first time you heard that there is a problem with H6 from Subies (H6 oil consumption)?
No, it is not. Haven't I said that already?
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You can find problems on any car brand doing a web search, it doesn't mean it is general problem with the car, I am sure I could find oil consumption problems on a GM-Nissan-toyota..etc... even here we find people with engine-transmission problems with their Cx-5, would you say all cx-5 have engine problems? anyway I am not here to argue, forum fight are useless, we all have our opinion and that is fine. :) I am sure gettingLM is old enough to take a decision based on his personal tastes and not the ones from a forum guy like me. :)
Sure you can find anything on the Internet nowadays. But I was amazed people can generalize things to avoid the real issue we're discussing! Now you're talking about the finding of all problems from any cars! We're talking about oil consumption issue on Subaru H6, and you could find whole bunch of discussions related to it. You've been on Subaru forums for over 10 years and you have never heard the oil consumption problem on the Subie H6? Amazing!

BTW, how many discussions can you find for oil consumption issue on Mazda SA 2.0/2.5L?
 
I think I've said my peace about our choice to get a Subaru. Thanks and good luck, everyone!
There's no use in spitting on a fella's choice of rifles if it brings the meat home. Same goes for vehicles. You'll no doubt be happy in your Sub, good vehicle, it will faithfully serve you well for many miles to come.

One aspect of human nature we all deny because we are 'rational' is this. If a person gets what they want they tend to overlook a lot. If they get their 2nd choice, i.e. settled for something, then they nit-pick it to death. Kind of like the politician YOU voted for... ;-)

If you bought a Mazda you would forever 2nd guess the decision even though it is a superior vehicle. LOL... see, human nature kicking in there.
 
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To the OP, enjoy your purchase! What happened here is pretty typical of what happens at pretty much any car forum (at least the other 2 that I visit on occasion). Never post in a car forum that you bought a competing vehicle, because people will generally put it down. I haven't quite figured out the reason, but I think people generally feed offended when their own purchasing decision isn't somehow validated. Anyway, good luck with the new vehicle!
 
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Yeah, because you clearly know which part I was agreeing to. Mindreading is such an awesome gift, I wish you well with it!

Sure you can find anything on the Internet nowadays. But I was amazed people can generalize things to avoid the real issue we're discussing! Now you're talking about the finding of all problems from any cars! We're talking about oil consumption issue on Subaru H6, and you could find whole bunch of discussions related to it. You've been on Subaru forums for over 10 years and you have never heard the oil consumption problem on the Subie H6? Amazing!

BTW, how many discussions can you find for oil consumption issue on Mazda SA 2.0/2.5L?

Once again, I never initiated the oil burning issue. But I see what you tried to do there.
 
There's no use in spitting on a fella's choice of rifles if it brings the meat home. Same goes for vehicles. You'll no doubt be happy in your Sub, good vehicle, it will faithfully serve you well for many miles to come.

One aspect of human nature we all deny because we are 'rational' is this. If a person gets what they want they tend to overlook a lot. If they get their 2nd choice, i.e. settled for something, then they nit-pick it to death. Kind of like the politician YOU voted for... ;-)

If you bought a Mazda you would forever 2nd guess the decision even though it is a superior vehicle. LOL... see, human nature kicking in there.

To the OP, enjoy your purchase! What happened here is pretty typical of what happens at pretty much any car forum (at least the other 2 that I visit on occasion). Never post in a car forum that you bought a competing vehicle, because people will generally put it down. I haven't quite figured out the reason, but I think people generally feed offended when their own purchasing decision isn't somehow validated. Anyway, good luck with the new vehicle!

Wow, there are kind, decent people paying attention. Thanks! You'd think that by picking an Outback over a Mazda, I've insulted some of these people's children or kicked their puppy (lol2)
 
Wow, there are kind, decent people paying attention. Thanks! You'd think that by picking an Outback over a Mazda, I've insulted some of these people's children or kicked their puppy (lol2)

Haha! You should have seem the Jeep forum when I got my cx5 and got rid of the pos Chrysler. Of course, I was a dick about it because of how every one there lied to me about how reliable jeeps were. I got tired of them gaslighting new members and thy showed m3 th3 door. Hence why jeep forums are so full of reliable rides...
 
That doesn't apply - Outback doesn't compete with CX-5.
If he/she got him/herself a Forester and posted here -- that would be a whole another story...
I'd say it does. It competes with the forester for sure. They are nearly identical actually.
 
I'd say it does. It competes with the forester for sure. They are nearly identical actually.

technologically they are very close, but the feel/perception is totally different
Outback is still a station wagon with some wooden trim no matter what the numbers in the specs say
 

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