Has this story about the phase out of the 5 in 2015 been reported anywhere else?
Use google.
Has this story about the phase out of the 5 in 2015 been reported anywhere else?
I once too judge products based on " name " and " country " status, but then wised up. I now judge products based on their merits, I don't care what country of origin they are from. I witnessed this first hand with guitar manufacturing. As some one has mentioned, in the 90's all Korean stuff was considered cheap. That is where many of the guitars that weren't gibsons and fenders were made at the time. Now Korean made guitars are considered nice guitars. Now everyone has moved production over to China, and the perception is that Chinese made guitars are inferior. Yet, for the last couple of years now, the Epiphone factory in China which is owned and ran by Gibson is putting out guitars that are excellent in fit, finish, and craftmanship. Those in the music industry have taken notice of Epiphones China factories rise in Quality Control, all the while, the Gibson plant in Tennessee has taken a beating in the music industry for the lack of Quality Control and decline in quality in the last few years. In the 70's Japanese guitars were considered inferior, by the 80's they were considered as good as their american equivalents, now they are collector items and go for as much or sometimes more than American made vintage guitars. Same evolution of peoples preceptions happened with cars in the last forty years. I don't care who builds it, as long as it is of good quality. It isn't like we are talking about who engineered it, we are talking about who turned the bolts and put the already engineered parts together. As long as the factory has top notch quality control the product will be fine. I remember seeing a video Ford put out in the 80's, about how they had designed and were manufacturing a transmission that had a high percentage fail rate, but that their " competitor in Japan " ( which was Mazda ) who was licensed to use their design and manufactured the same transmissions in Japan, had a very low fail rate. Upon them inspecting the Ford transmission and the Mazda transmission, they found that the quality control was so tight and precise on the transmissions from Mazda compared to the trannys from Ford. They concluded that the since the design was the same, the parts were the same, the only thing that caused the high failure rate in the Ford transmissions were the poor quality control compared to the Mazda transmissions. Point is, it is always about quality control, and anyone can practice good quality control, it isn't exclusive to only certain groups of people.
Has this story about the phase out of the 5 in 2015 been reported anywhere else?
Yes, like he said, try Google. I have seen it reported multiple places. Enough that I'm pretty convinced it is true...and believe me I don't want it to be true so I'd be looking for any reason to discredit this.
Yup, I have. I had a Volkswagen Jetta....
..... that was built in Mexico. The driver side door kept LOOSENING itself because the bolts holding it on where somehow not attached properly. I had to keep tightening it back on with a socket wrench.
That was my first and last Mexican car.
My bias against vehicles built in Mexico comes from many things I've read about production problems down there from multiple manufacturers and my own experience with a Mexican built Volkswagen i bough 15 years ago.
It's not so much that there is anything wrong with people from other countries, as much as it is I think the Japanese are particularly fastidious. It's not a fluke that Japan builds the most reliable cars in the world, a big part of that has to do with the Japanese culture and work ethic, so yeah, that's the guy i want building my car.
Amen Mopho! Unfortunately ignorance most times is unfixable. Yes socialcarpet, kudos to you that you finally bought an MZ5 after 9 years of them being in production, kudos to you that it is made in Japan and kudos to you that you get to sleep at night knowing these things... (headshakeWell there was the problem....
If it loosened up more than once, it was likely a design issue, not manufacturing. If the bolts were not attached properly by an "errant Mexican", it wouldn't have loosened up again after YOU fixed it
So 15 YEARS AGO you had ONE car (and a Volkswagen no less) with issues and read a few things [on the internet?] so you jumped to a conclusion about all cars made in Mexico and the people who work in the plants?...... (screwy)
Again, that has more to do with design and management than the people actually bolting the bits together. If you've been to a factory you would know that each person is basically assigned 1-3 or so tasks, most of which are simplified so they can't screw it up. For example, if they are bolting something on, they are using an air wrench that is set exactly to the torque settings that are needed, and there is only a few bolts that they are dealing with, there is really no thinking involved. Each person really only has about a 30 second task before the car moves on to the next station.
While it may be true about the Japanese culture and work ethic, the people working on the line aren't really doing anything that complicated that it would make a difference. The real difference would be made higher up the "food chain" and that kind of stuff gets shared with other plants owned by the manufacturer.
Most issues with cars have more to do with the design and/or the parts suppliers than the actual people putting them together. As a matter of fact, the plant I was at had engineers on site to redesign stuff as problems with the original design get discovered along they way.
(Since everybody is talking bad about Messicans)
Not everyone just The Social Magic Carpet Ride" maybe we should create a new thread just for him. "The Social Magic Carpet Ride all things Japanese thread" LMFAO!
Well there was the problem....
If it loosened up more than once, it was likely a design issue, not manufacturing. If the bolts were not attached properly by an "errant Mexican", it wouldn't have loosened up again after YOU fixed it
So 15 YEARS AGO you had ONE car (and a Volkswagen no less) with issues and read a few things [on the internet?] so you jumped to a conclusion about all cars made in Mexico and the people who work in the plants?...... (screwy)
Again, that has more to do with design and management than the people actually bolting the bits together. If you've been to a factory you would know that each person is basically assigned 1-3 or so tasks, most of which are simplified so they can't screw it up. For example, if they are bolting something on, they are using an air wrench that is set exactly to the torque settings that are needed, and there is only a few bolts that they are dealing with, there is really no thinking involved. Each person really only has about a 30 second task before the car moves on to the next station.
While it may be true about the Japanese culture and work ethic, the people working on the line aren't really doing anything that complicated that it would make a difference. The real difference would be made higher up the "food chain" and that kind of stuff gets shared with other plants owned by the manufacturer.
Most issues with cars have more to do with the design and/or the parts suppliers than the actual people putting them together. As a matter of fact, the plant I was at had engineers on site to redesign stuff as problems with the original design get discovered along they way.
Like most people in FL, guy couldn't find Japan, if I handed him a map of the world with Japan being the only country.
He probably thinks Hello Kitty is a real animal, and all the workers at the MZ5 factory are as fastidious as the GT-R and the LFA factory.
Since we are stereotyping, what about all the dumbasses that live in FL?
I love mopho. Everytime I read his posts (for years on another forum), I always yell at the monitor and go "thats right MUTHA FUKA" even though I know that is not what mopho means
My mothers rapists cousins illegimate son in Alabama had a Chrylser Leberon. I read about it in a letter in 1987 that it was unreliable. Doesn't that make all American cars unreliable?
The irony to AliBab and his socialmagiccarpet, is that he bought a MZ5 as his "reliable" Japanese car.
Mazda 5 is a reliable car, yes, but it isn't the example one would use for the ULTIMATE in Japanese reliability given the issues it has, in its 9 years in existence.
You want to tout japanese reliablity, buy a Lexus LS, and then talk $hit about messicans.
Of course Magic carpets retort will be "oh wait Lexus LS doesn't come in a manual trans"
I will have to say, Messican women are great in bed. (Since everybody is talking bad about Messicans)
It's true, I've known for about a year but couldn't say anything.
You may have been to more countries than me but your level of ignorance clearly states otherwise.I've probably been to more countries in my life than you have. But I do agree Florida is full of dumbasses, you'll get no argument from me on that. I'm not a native though. Haha.
Is U.S. MY2014 the last year or U.S. MY2015?
The Japanese pu$$y felt automated.
You may have been to more countries than me but your level of ignorance clearly states otherwise.
I have only been to 59 countries. 3 passports full.
But I have had more Messican pu$$y than you, and compared to the japanese Pu$$y I had in Tokyo, the quality of hte Messican mamasitas were better.
The Japanese pu$$y felt automated.
you probably shouldn't have drank so much sake.......
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I'm 95% sure the 2014 is the end of the line.
Oh what could have been though...
Here's a heartbreaking pic of what could have been. Imagine this with the 185 hp 2.5 liter Skyactiv engine... Damn it Mazda.