street/track engine build

[rickyfinch07]

First and foremost I'm not trying to open a can of worms with this thread, but here it goes.
Within six months I want to build another 2.0 to eventually get into my Msp. Looking for 325-ish whp with a $5000 or less budget.

Now I want to discuss possible combinations, ie low compression high boost, or low boost higher compression. The budget would also include turbo upgrades as well as engine management.
Is there a particular type of build that has been battle tested and proved to not only work well, but live with this particular engine.

I'm new to the Msp, but not decent hp street engines.

Thanks in advance,
Ricky

 

[xtreme velocity]

First off 325ish wont be enough.. haha jk. Now are you wanting a 5k budget with buying car and everything? these 2.0's will reach 325ish pretty easy for most part. Different ways it can be done.. Upgrade the basics, exhaust, intake, intercooler, tune, turning up boost. Or you can go better route and upgrade everything above and then upgrade turbo. The 5k budget with or without buying the car will determine which road you can take really.

 

[Cleverfrog]

What sort of "track"? Are you talking drag strip or road racing or what? When you start getting in the higher HP range you start breaking your gearbox. Not saying your gearbox will break or you can't make 325, just saying lots of members have broken things in your range. You should search a little bit and see what others have done to get a better feel of how fragile the FS engine and gearbox are

 

[protege3690]

Wouldn't it be more cost effective to go BP and produce those numbers? and use a megasquirt or haltech to control it. ive easily spent over 5gs on my build without including the cost of my msp (hand)

 

[rickyfinch07]

No 5k is just for engine. Track, being the occasional Autocross or drag race.
However the car will be first and foremost a street car

 

[Cleverfrog]

No 5k is just for engine. Track, being the occasional Autocross or drag race.
However the car will be first and foremost a street car

Well in that case I'd at least tell you to put an mfactory or quaife LSD in to prevent the stock one exploding from launches on the drag strip. Mounts would be the 1st thing I'd tell you to do with the engine though. Either fill them in or get corksport or /awr inserts or just get solid mounts. There's a couple other solid mount options like s U or midevil i think.
corksport inserts
awr inserts
awr mounts

 

[Perro del Sol]

Upgrade the tranny and as my friend Chris stated upgrade the motor mounts and suspension. Go with a standalone, like Haltech, your life will be easier. Look in to the Doc B oil pump and relo kit and the AWR oil pan.

 

[CR3 Motorsports]

Subb!

 

[Perro del Sol]

I see Cres has subbed to this thread...hit him up for parts, he is knowledgable and quite helpfule with build products.....CR3

 

[tyman108]

subbing want to see what gonna happen with this speed. and i have no idea how much it would cost but with that HP should he go with forge internals?

 

[Perro del Sol]

subbing want to see what gonna happen with this speed. and i have no idea how much it would cost but with that HP should he go with forge internals?

Yes forged internals, injectors, and all of the items listed above.

 

[brandini]

Also head to the group interest section and look at the strengthening plate for the transmission, would do you well.

 

[RyanJayG]

325WHP is achievable. I was running 350WHP, pump gas on 17-18psi over the last 9 years on my first setup. If you are going to build a motor, I will strongly suggest doing your homework on engine specs and machine shops.
My first built motor lasted 80,000 miles of aggressive driving. I ran 17-18psi as a daily driver and 23-25psi for weekend fun. It was getting tired so I decided to build a completely new setup. My new goal is 550-600whp.
I run an AEM standalone for engine management. I would highly recommend running the AEM or Haltech if you decide to do your build. For compression, 9.0-1 or higher! This will heavily be dependent on your turbo manifold and exhaust system design. If you are running the stock MSP manifold or something that is similar in design, then 9.0-1. If you are able to source a tubular race style manifold ( ie Full-Race ) that has a proper collector, then I would tell you to run 9.5-10.0-1CR.

 

[rickyfinch07]

Forged Wiseco pistons 9:0-1 compression
H beam rods, band?
Oem main, rod bearings.
626 intake manifold, ported.
Ssafc
440 cc injectors
Motor mounts all around
Gt 28 turbo if money is there
Lsd is already welded
Rework stock heads, little porting, value job
looking into awr oil pan and doc b pump

Anything else? Particular brands?

Also gents, I'm just starting my research, for the type if build I want. Nothing wrong with my engine. Just something I'm looking to do in the next year or so. Most likely after I get back from deployment (that I haven't left for yet) so I'm a little ways out from doing this. However it will get done.

 

[rickyfinch07]

325WHP is achievable. I was running 350WHP, pump gas on 17-18psi over the last 9 years on my first setup. If you are going to build a motor, I will strongly suggest doing your homework on engine specs and machine shops.
My first built motor lasted 80,000 miles of aggressive driving. I ran 17-18psi as a daily driver and 23-25psi for weekend fun. It was getting tired so I decided to build a completely new setup. My new goal is 550-600whp.
I run an AEM standalone for engine management. I would highly recommend running the AEM or Haltech if you decide to do your build. For compression, 9.0-1 or higher! This will heavily be dependent on your turbo manifold and exhaust system design. If you are running the stock MSP manifold or something that is similar in design, then 9.0-1. If you are able to source a tubular race style manifold ( ie Full-Race ) that has a proper collector, then I would tell you to run 9.5-10.0-1CR.

That's good info, do you have a build thread or specs for that first build. That's what I'm looking for. Aem is definitely something I'll look into, I know they have great products.

 

[RyanJayG]

CP Pistons with a .040 overbore.
Molnar H-beam rods
Clevite or King bearings
ARP main and Head studs
Cometic head gasket

Have your piston skirts and bearings dry film coated. Have the tops of your pistons ceramic thermal barrier coated.

 

[RyanJayG]

That's good info, do you have a build thread or specs for that first build. That's what I'm looking for. Aem is definitely something I'll look into, I know they have great products.

Beware, standalone EMS systems are not for the novice or beginner. It's a steep learning curve that can be frustrating and costly. Engine internals are a small part of the build. Quality machine work and assembly should be your foundation.
The FS-DE has some short comings. I have to catch a plane for work. I'll try and get on in the next day and send you a detailed build.

 

[rickyfinch07]

Good stuff, and thanks. I've helped a good friend with a turbo 1jz sc300 that we hooked up a Aem to. It was interesting. Before someone calls me out the 1jz was transplanted from a chaser I know it came with a 2jz.