NEMOC Random BS Thread

Good morning....getting ready to mow the lawn while waiting for 5 tons of rock to be delivered. Yay for Fridays off. (scratch)
 
Good morning....getting ready to mow the lawn while waiting for 5 tons of rock to be delivered. Yay for Fridays off. (scratch)

Yeah I have a funny feeling that now that I own a place, my days off will be spent working on it.
 
Cops have never needed radar, why is this a surprise? It isn't that difficult to pick out speeders. Margin for error is probably 5mph though, depending on the situation.
It probably depends a lot more like what the tires sound like and how loud the car sounds and how quick it looks. I am willing to bet money that if you ran a Corolla at 80mph and your Mazdaspeed6, you'd get nailed for a higher visually estimated speed. Also, yeah, sure, the cop is sitting there with Amanda and a radar gun, but his eye is being calibrated for that portion of the road and after hearing some radar readings. If you put him in a new spot of road and gave no radar feedback, I don't think you'd be quite so close.

This opens the door so much wider judgement calls. Pray that the cop likes you and your car!

What happened to having rock solid evidence to prove guilt? Upholding this visual estimation is some police state bulls***. This and the cops not wanting to be taped in public (another recent issue) is covering up for those that are loose with their power.
 
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It probably depends a lot more like what the tires sound like and how loud the car sounds and how quick it looks. I am willing to bet money that if you ran a Corolla at 80mph and your Mazdaspeed6, you'd get nailed for a higher visually estimated speed. Also, yeah, sure, the cop is sitting there with Amanda and a radar gun, but his eye is being calibrated for that portion of the road and after hearing some radar readings. If you put him in a new spot of road and gave no radar feedback, I don't think you'd be quite so close.

What happened to having rock solid evidence to prove guilt? Upholding this visual estimation is some police state bulls***. This and the cops not wanting to be taped in public (another recent issue) is covering up for those that are loose with their power.

thank you, was trying to find the words to explain my 'bulls***' but brain is dead today.
 
Good thing I installed that cloaking device on my MS6.

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It probably depends a lot more like what the tires sound like and how loud the car sounds and how quick it looks. I am willing to bet money that if you ran a Corolla at 80mph and your Mazdaspeed6, you'd get nailed for a higher visually estimated speed. Also, yeah, sure, the cop is sitting there with Amanda and a radar gun, but his eye is being calibrated for that portion of the road and after hearing some radar readings. If you put him in a new spot of road and gave no radar feedback, I don't think you'd be quite so close.
I'm sure tire noise frequency and exhaust can cloud judgement but police are trained to use stationary objects and counting. Watch 50 cars go by that are driving close to the speed limit and the car that blows by at 15-20mph over becomes obvious. Knowing that it was exactly 17mph over can be contested but the officer is certain they caught a speeder. As for corolla vs MS6...if we were both speeding i'd have nothing to complain about. If you said i got pulled over for a higher visual speed when I was going 65 and the Corolla was going 80, that's a different story.

What happened to having rock solid evidence to prove guilt? Upholding this visual estimation is some police state bulls***. This and the cops not wanting to be taped in public (another recent issue) is covering up for those that are loose with their power.
I'm on the fence with this one. I agree that police shouldn't be doing anything that they wouldn't normally do in front of a camera, but on the other hand, things can be taken out of context when only part of an incident is recorded. Everyone has seen Rodney King getting the s*** kicked out of him, but no one knows what he did to provoke it beforehand. Usually people don't start recording until there is something to record.
 
I'm sure tire noise frequency and exhaust can cloud judgement but police are trained to use stationary objects and counting. Watch 50 cars go by that are driving close to the speed limit and the car that blows by at 15-20mph over becomes obvious. Knowing that it was exactly 17mph over can be contested but the officer is certain they caught a speeder. As for corolla vs MS6...if we were both speeding i'd have nothing to complain about. If you said i got pulled over for a higher visual speed when I was going 65 and the Corolla was going 80, that's a different story.
Yeah, you doing 65 but registering higher is really the problem. But also, remember, because our speed limits are too low on many roads with 65, and so the cops anyway pull over only those doing over 75 or 80. So, if you were doing, say, 72 and the cop thinks you were doing 80, you probably shouldn't have been pulled over (and probably wouldn't have been pulled over if he lasered you at 72).

Remember how you would get called in for a license plate check driving around your VRM MS6?

I'm on the fence with this one. I agree that police shouldn't be doing anything that they wouldn't normally do in front of a camera, but on the other hand, things can be taken out of context when only part of an incident is recorded. Everyone has seen Rodney King getting the s*** kicked out of him, but no one knows what he did to provoke it beforehand. Usually people don't start recording until there is something to record.
Are you saying that there could've possibly been some kind of justification for kicking the s*** out of Rodney King? That's ****** up.

Have you seen the recent cases that stirred up the recording of the police? One case was of a motorcyclist who was pulled over for speeding: "Graber was not arrested immediately. Ten days after the encounter, he posted some of the material to YouTube, and it embarrassed Trooper J. D. Uhler. The trooper, who was in plainclothes and an unmarked car, jumped out waving a gun and screaming. Only later did Uhler identify himself as a police officer. When the YouTube video was discovered the police got a warrant against Graber, searched his parents' house (where he presumably lives), seized equipment, and charged him with a violation of wiretapping law."

Another snippet: "For the second time in less than a month, a police officer was convicted from evidence obtained from a videotape. The first officer to be convicted was New York City Police Officer Patrick Pogan, who would never have stood trial had it not been for a video posted on Youtube showing him body slamming a bicyclist before charging him with assault on an officer. The second officer to be convicted was Ottawa Hills (Ohio) Police Officer Thomas White, who shot a motorcyclist in the back after a traffic stop, permanently paralyzing the 24-year-old man.""

There's no reason to disallow videotaping of the police. Power tends to corrupt. This is why we have checks and balances in our government. This is why we have public government records. It's the tradeoff you make for power: you want power? then you must have oversight.
 
Whoa... that's way too many words for the BS thread... my eyes just glazed over.

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Are you saying that there could've possibly been some kind of justification for kicking the s*** out of Rodney King? That's ****** up.
No, I'm just saying we don't know the whole story.

There are bad cops out there, i have no doubt. But unless you are willing to put your life out there on the line, you shouldn't criticize how others go about protecting you.
 
Yeah I have a funny feeling that now that I own a place, my days off will be spent working on it.

I see you are a fast learner. lol

Rock was just delivered...yay. I was hoping it would have been delivered a few hours ago....

New mattress and box spring showed up too. :) Our old one is just over 15yrs old so we figured it was time to replace it.
 
Yeah, you doing 65 but registering higher is really the problem. But also, remember, because our speed limits are too low on many roads with 65, and so the cops anyway pull over only those doing over 75 or 80. So, if you were doing, say, 72 and the cop thinks you were doing 80, you probably shouldn't have been pulled over (and probably wouldn't have been pulled over if he lasered you at 72).

Remember how you would get called in for a license plate check driving around your VRM MS6?

Are you saying that there could've possibly been some kind of justification for kicking the s*** out of Rodney King? That's ****** up.

Have you seen the recent cases that stirred up the recording of the police? One case was of a motorcyclist who was pulled over for speeding: "Graber was not arrested immediately. Ten days after the encounter, he posted some of the material to YouTube, and it embarrassed Trooper J. D. Uhler. The trooper, who was in plainclothes and an unmarked car, jumped out waving a gun and screaming. Only later did Uhler identify himself as a police officer. When the YouTube video was discovered the police got a warrant against Graber, searched his parents' house (where he presumably lives), seized equipment, and charged him with a violation of wiretapping law."

Another snippet: "For the second time in less than a month, a police officer was convicted from evidence obtained from a videotape. The first officer to be convicted was New York City Police Officer Patrick Pogan, who would never have stood trial had it not been for a video posted on Youtube showing him body slamming a bicyclist before charging him with assault on an officer. The second officer to be convicted was Ottawa Hills (Ohio) Police Officer Thomas White, who shot a motorcyclist in the back after a traffic stop, permanently paralyzing the 24-year-old man.""

There's no reason to disallow videotaping of the police. Power tends to corrupt. This is why we have checks and balances in our government. This is why we have public government records. It's the tradeoff you make for power: you want power? then you must have oversight.

Yeah I saw that video when it first came out of the biker getting a gun pulled on him. He originally put it up with sound, then re-uploaded it without because of the ordeal. But I guess he put it back up with sound.

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Edit: Actually I guess he re-uploaded the original extended version without sound.
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I think the motorcyclist SHOULD have had a gun pulled on him... he was the tool driving down the right lane while doing a wheelie... he probably had the cops called on his dumb ass and the statey thought he was going to run...
 
I think the point is he jumped out of the unmarked car in plain clothes and immediately pulls the gun without identifying himself first.

Edit: But the real point of the videos are that he was arrested not for the motorcycle stunts but for the video of him getting pulled over for it and the cop getting embarrassed or punished because of pulling the gun in plain clothes.
 
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