What have you done to your MSP today?

[boostedprotege]

i'm pretty sure he was still forged wit lower compression then too not on a stock engine lol

and this is what aem says

AEM Water Injection Kit (now includes the upgraded 30-3014 pump!) If you have a boosted car or turbo diesel truck and want to safely increase the amount of boost you run, the AEM Water/Methanol Kit should be on your list of things to buy. For boosted cars, the Water/Meth kit helps two ways. First the atomized water drastically lowers intake temps, allowing a cooler charge into the cylinder. Secondly, the Water/Methanol/Alcohol mixture acts as an octane booster, reducing the risk of detonation and allowing higher levels of boost to be run safely. In diesel applications, if you are running a chip, the fact is you likely have higher EGTs. While those mean more power, they can also cause premature wear on your turbo. AEMs datalogging shows EGTs drop drastically when running a water/methanol kit. The kit is simple to install, and includes many features other kits charge you extra to get like a large tank (1 gallon is in the base kit) fluid level sensor that includes a boost-safe feature that can reduce your boost if you are out of water/methanol. Three jet sizes give you a wide range of tuning potential - check out our video above for an overview and to see the different nozzle sizes in action

so it does have a safety switch to only lower your boost when meth is out so your right on that part

 

[Wagonbacker9]

if i remember correctly the AEM Meth kit comes with that option. look for the online instructions to see if im wrong. i could be but i really think the AEM does let you do that...

from the AEM website:

All AEM Water/Methanol controllers include a Boost Safe feature. This feature allows users to retard timing or reduce boost via a ground output if the system runs out of fluid or detects a controller error, ensuring fail-safe operation of the engine whether the system is engaged or not.

I have nowhere to connect that "Ground output".... no standalone or EBC to connect it to... so I have no way for it to translate to a change in timing or boost.

Ya get me?

 

[ucMP3]

i'm pretty sure he was still forged wit lower compression then too not on a stock engine lol

Ya, I wasn't saying anything about that, I was just making a joke cause u commented that it was only dangerous if you ran 15+ psi, and Miquel runs 25+.

Ok, I'll go away now... (sad2)

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

from the AEM website:


I have nowhere to connect that "Ground output".... no standalone or EBC to connect it to... so I have no way for it to translate to a change in timing or boost.

Ya get me?

Well I told you the Kit was capable of doing in.. not being able to do it in your specific case is another thing..

 

[boostedprotege]

lol well looks llike you better save up for some new parts lol

 

[Wagonbacker9]

Well I told you the Kit was capable of doing in.. not being able to do it in your specific case is another thing..

right, and I told you its not the kit thats capable of it. its your standalone or boost controller that is capable of it. the AEM kit is capable of TELLING THEM TO do it. which in point of fact is quite different. saying that the meth kit itself can retard timing or increase boost if out of fluid is quite simply false.

 

[boostedprotege]

Ya, I wasn't saying anything about that, I was just making a joke cause u commented that it was only dangerous if you ran 15+ psi, and Miquel runs 25+.

Ok, I'll go away now... (sad2)

lol ohh well i was talkin about hypothetically on a stock engine lol otherwise i'd say turn it up to 20 even without meth haha i;ma rebel

 

[ucMP3]

lol ohh well i was talkin about hypothetically on a stock engine lol otherwise i'd say turn it up to 20 even without meth haha i;ma rebel

I go back & forth about boosting this motor. I love my pro, but everytime I end up at the same conclusion, not worth it... Maybe I'll keep this car when I graduate as my project & go big f/i. Unfortunately, much more likely is a rwd/awd car & a motor that safely holds more than 9 psi of boost without being a huge PITA.

 

[Laser Blue]

from the AEM website:


I have nowhere to connect that "Ground output".... no standalone or EBC to connect it to... so I have no way for it to translate to a change in timing or boost.

Ya get me?

So... you install the kit with no fail-safe and run 20+ lbs boost while simultaneously carrying a loaf of bread on the back seat. Then, when you run out of meth mix and your engine goes boom you can limp to the side of the road, grab the bread and make toast on your hood; no need to carry a toaster or go to anyone else's house to plug it in. Voila!!! You have killed two birds with one stone (and one FSDET with one meth kit...)(shady)

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

right, and I told you its not the kit thats capable of it. its your standalone or boost controller that is capable of it. the AEM kit is capable of TELLING THEM TO do it. which in point of fact is quite different. saying that the meth kit itself can retard timing or increase boost if out of fluid is quite simply false.

Well Then call AEM and tell them not to advertise something that is false..

 

[Wagonbacker9]

Well Then call AEM and tell them not to advertise something that is false..

You're the one thats wrong, not AEM.

They say they have a ground output which can be used as a safety

You're the one that doesn't understand, that you have to CONNECT it to something that will make that change. (like a standalone for timing, or and EBC for boost).

Get it now? I'm sorry I'm being kurt with you, but I've said this twice already and you don't seem to understand.

It works like this:

Bottle out of fluid, makes this wire on the AEM controller connect to ground.

That wire is connected to the standalone.

The standalone is programmed to retard timing when that wire goes to ground, so the engine doesn't blow up.

And then we do the hokey pokey...

 

[boostedprotege]

I go back & forth about boosting this motor. I love my pro, but everytime I end up at the same conclusion, not worth it... Maybe I'll keep this car when I graduate as my project & go big f/i. Unfortunately, much more likely is a rwd/awd car & a motor that safely holds more than 9 psi of boost without being a huge PITA.

any FI car is a PITA and the car can handle over 10PSI on stock inteernals if you have the support as in mods and what not.. thats y ms3, ms6, srt4's, wrx, sti's etc all come running 15psi+ on stock internals we have low enough compression ratio to run 10psi n still be safe.. its just the mods u need to do it safe,,

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

You're the one thats wrong, not AEM.

They say they have a ground output which can be used as a safety

You're the one that doesn't understand, that you have to CONNECT it to something that will make that change. (like a standalone for timing, or and EBC for boost).

Get it now? I'm sorry I'm being kurt with you, but I've said this twice already and you don't seem to understand.

It works like this:

Bottle out of fluid, makes this wire on the AEM controller connect to ground.

That wire is connected to the standalone.

The standalone is programmed to retard timing when that wire goes to ground, so the engine doesn't blow up.

And then we do the hokey pokey...

I get your point, but in their intructions they dont mention anywhere you need a standalone to acomplish those features.

 

[Wagonbacker9]

Same quote as before:

All AEM Water/Methanol controllers include a Boost Safe feature. This feature allows users to retard timing or reduce boost via a ground output if the system runs out of fluid or detects a controller error, ensuring fail-safe operation of the engine whether the system is engaged or not.

Thats not even in the instructions. A ground output means that its a safety switch. Just a switch. Still means you have to hook it up to something. Seem self-explainatory to me.

 

[o0n8]

took out my sub box and brackets, gonna install the gt spec truck cage tomorrow. Got my car washed and there is water inside my passenger side head light now. Don't know if i have to replace it or if i didn't get the weather boot on properly from when i switched to the HID kit.

 

[Ricktalife]

Meth is a very good idea for a race car, but as wagon said it isn't something most people consider DD material. I don't go to the gas station to fill up both my gas and meth tank.

 

[boostedprotege]

its like 2 dollars to fill up your meth water lol and meth is what allows me to have higher hp and still be my DD its a great investment for anyone wether it be a daily driver or a track car

 

[Shadow102]

any FI car is a PITA and the car can handle over 10PSI on stock inteernals if you have the support as in mods and what not.. thats y ms3, ms6, srt4's, wrx, sti's etc all come running 15psi+ on stock internals we have low enough compression ratio to run 10psi n still be safe.. its just the mods u need to do it safe,,

the problem is the rods cant handle increased power and will eventually bend, thats why those cars can run 15psi stock all day long because their rods can handle it

 

[Shadow102]

Meth is a very good idea for a race car, but as wagon said it isn't something most people consider DD material. I don't go to the gas station to fill up both my gas and meth tank.

...when i ran meth i had to refill every couple weeks...and seeing you can use washer fluid its not expensive

 

[boostedprotege]

our rods are more then capable of handling 10psi but any car cud go at any time even completely stock ones u jist never really know do u