To those with the Turbolife/Perrin FMIC

[HondaEat-R]

Turbolife gained HP over the Perrin.

Last time I checked, the Turbolife was the same as the Perrin.

 

[StealthWyvern]

i think that intels wrong soldier...

turkey is not produced by the intake.... its amplified by it

Tell me about it. I have the Perrin FMIC and with the Injen CAI my turkey was loud! However now that I have replaced it with a Perrin SRI I hardly hear it and have to really listen to hear it.

Last time I checked, the Turbolife was the same as the Perrin.

Its a copy of the Perrin but I have heard the turbolife has bigger gains over the Perrin. However I have yet to see a dyno comparison on the same car.

 

[JCell]

i still dont see how two identical intercoolers can have different power gains....

 

[StealthWyvern]

i still dont see how two identical intercoolers can have different power gains....

maybe the thickness is different.... I do not know if they are exactly the same or not but they sure do appear it at least.

Like I said I have yet to see any dyno wher just the core was swaped out and compared between the two.

 

[Outlawstar98]

Lets see... Two companys make the same thing... But the gains can be different because the material made and how its made. The Turbolife gains more then the perrin, and theres dyno sheets that prove it... Just cause 2 things look the same doesnt mean they react the same. The turbolife gains more ok people? GOSH Thats all you need to know...... Its not rocket science, and anyways, its only like 5 or so HP isnt it....

 

[HondaEat-R]

Lets see... Two companys make the same thing... But the gains can be different because the material made and how its made. The Turbolife gains more then the perrin, and theres dyno sheets that prove it... Just cause 2 things look the same doesnt mean they react the same. The turbolife gains more ok people? GOSH Thats all you need to know...... Its not rocket science, and anyways, its only like 5 or so HP isnt it....

So you're saying there's a dyno sheet where somebody ran the Perrin on a dyno & got their numbers, THEN took the Perrin off and swapped the Turbolife on and ran it again, and they got 5 or whatever more HP out of it ? I highly doubt that. When you do dyno comparison runs of parts added, you can't deviate AT ALL from the control environment.

PLUS, I'm assuming that when Perrin stopped making the FMIC, some one just copied the design letter for letter so it could be back in production, not re-invented the wheel. To increase power gains from a FMIC you'd either A) Have to reduce the pressure drop seen or B) Redesign it in a manner that allows the FMIC to produce cooler / denser air. Option A) wouldn't even change power, it would just alter when that power comes on.

 

[Outlawstar98]

Turbolife was running the Perrin on the stock dyno pull, then he swaped over to the Turbolife and made HP.
Dyno Sheet (Perrin run in blue, Turbolife kit in red) -

See, tahts the numbers he made.... The only difference is the manufacture of the core. the core turbolife used must be better then the perrin's core, thats all I can think of.

 

[JCell]

so if you run a dyno 3 times, will all 3 be the same? last i dynoed i had a 10 hp spread between all 3 runs, mostly going up between runs

im not sayin its a bad piece, just dont believe there is such a power difference due to the design

 

[Outlawstar98]

its the same design, just different cores..... Gosh you people are thick sometimes LOL

 

[turbolife]

Turbolife was running the Perrin on the stock dyno pull, then he swaped over to the Turbolife and made HP.
Dyno Sheet (Perrin run in blue, Turbolife kit in red) -

See, tahts the numbers he made.... The only difference is the manufacture of the core. the core turbolife used must be better then the perrin's core, thats all I can think of.

Thank you for posting that.

Just for some clarification on this dyno graph.

The FMIC was swapped out with the car still strapped on the dyno.

The graph shows the highest pull with the Perrin vs. the highest pull with my kit (data shows these two being compared were an hour apart). There were multiple runs done on both kits, all were consistent (<5HP deviation) from run to run to run.

The conditions between these two pulls graphed here are negligible, 1 degree F temperature difference, 0.03 in-Hg barometric difference and 2% more humidity.

The runs were all done with everything else exactly the same. No changes to tuning (all runs were done with a Unichip, with the EBC ON).

Input labeled "ANALOG 2" is boost pressure. As you can see there was a slight boost spike compared to the Perrin run @ around 2800 rpm. This accounts for the surge in torque @ its peak (227 vs 218).

Up top you can see the EBCs cycling to control boost. The car ran slightly more boost (within 1-2 psi depending on where you are looking @ the graph) with my kit vs. the Perrin due to flow of the core.

There is no disputing the car pulled harder up top with my kit.

This testing was as legit as possible, and done at a shop with a damn good reputation to erase any fears of the dyno operator skewing the results.

 

[Outlawstar98]

^if they dont trust the shop, we can always get justinlandsdale in here

 

[HondaEat-R]

its the same design, just different cores..... Gosh you people are thick sometimes LOL

We just like to make decisions for ourselves, and not be so susceptible to the powers of suggestion.

Looks like the Turbolife ran more boost and slightly leaner AFR's than the Perrin... Also, for a 'lil while there the AFR's are like 13:1. Yikes brother, lean much ?

I'm a skeptic in all aspects of life, and because of this I'm not easily impressed when the "manufacturer" of a product posts dyno sheets claiming their product is superior. A truly unbiased comparison would be from someone that's not affiliated w/ Turbolife, thus has nothing to gain from results of the tests. I know, I'm crazy.

 

[Outlawstar98]

then PM justinlansdale and see how he likes his Turbolife Kit...he says it magic. Im telling ya man, the turbolife is great. Theres someone else on here that switched from the perrin to this.. If i remember his SN ill make him get in here aswell.

 

[HondaEat-R]

then PM justinlansdale and see how he likes his Turbolife Kit...he says it magic. Im telling ya man, the turbolife is great. Theres someone else on here that switched from the perrin to this.. If i remember his SN ill make him get in here aswell.

Right on. Well, I'm truly interested to know if this is the case.

 

[turbolife]

We just like to make decisions for ourselves, and not be so susceptible to the powers of suggestion.

As should any wise consumer, I know I do.

Looks like the Turbolife ran more boost and slightly leaner AFR's than the Perrin...

Yeah, at low RPMs the boost spike tuned into the Unichip boosted more on my kit

Input labeled "ANALOG 2" is boost pressure. As you can see there was a slight boost spike compared to the Perrin run @ around 2800 rpm. This accounts for the surge in torque @ its peak (227 vs 218).

Also, for a 'lil while there the AFR's are like 13:1. Yikes brother, lean much ?

Lean yes. I still ran three pulls with both kits, I was tired of dicking around with the first GB.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3718665&postcount=1057

I'm a skeptic in all aspects of life, and because of this I'm not easily impressed when the "manufacturer" of a product posts dyno sheets claiming their product is superior. A truly unbiased comparison would be from someone that's not affiliated w/ Turbolife, thus has nothing to gain from results of the tests. I know, I'm crazy.

The dyno sheets were done in an independent manner, the shop had nothing to gain nor lose, they are not affiliated with me....but like I said, I am always skeptical of advertising too, just wanted to ensure that everyone is clear.

 

[43975]

quick question can someone post up pics of where The turbo life hot pipe comes into to engine bay from the inside near the turbo. How close would this be with a clocked turbo?? I wonder if you clock the turbo if you could get any more gains