An all electric car with a 200-300 mile range is not going to do it. If all you want is a commuter car, take public transportation!. I want a car that can be driven across the country with stops only when I need to refill it, not parked overnight to be recharged after 4-5 hours of driving. Hydrogen fuel cell powered, when its perfected, would probably be okay. Please don't require us to give up our freedom of mobility.
The end of high powered cars?
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Wagonbacker9
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this is true and false at the same time... if you removed the concept of credit... this would work perfectly.
BillTheCat
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Ideally, yes, Hydrogen would be a great solution. I know a lot of people who'd be happy with a 200-300 mile range on an electric car, but I am personally a road trip guy, so I would also want a fill-n-go vehicle. But I wonder how much Zoom-Zoom we'll be able to get from fuel cell vehicles in the near future. I mean, yes, they use electric motors, which have great potential for power, but you also have to get some measure of efficiency out of the system, too.
The shame of it all is still that Congress feels the need to mandate these changes, rather than allow the free market to demand the changes. And with setting the deadline for these improvements at 2016, the automakers have almost zero time, in terms of engineering & manufacturing development, to actually make the improvements needed.
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It's just a way to raise money...a hidden tax. The "target" is 42mpg average, but if they are lower than that they will just have to pay "penalties"...basically just taxes on the amount under they are. Don't be fooled...it's just an additional tax on an already struggling industry.
karl hungus
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now's the time to buy. interest rates won't be this low and power won't be this high for a long while. 2009, say hi to 1973.
oh yeah, boycott fiat (aka chrysler) and gm for taking taxpayer money.
oh yeah, boycott fiat (aka chrysler) and gm for taking taxpayer money.
Actually, there are quite a few companies working on battery swap systems to be installed nationally, since in the end all these batteries and connectors will be standardized. So these systems can swap out batteries in less time it takes to fill up a tank.
Of course that's years away, since companies like Ford, Tesla, etc are just now starting to work with UL for standards, etc. And you'll have to put into people's heads that they shouldn't get emotionally attached to their battery, since it'll be a swapable item...
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Because "balls" should not end with a Focus. Car companies should be able to build the cars that people want to buy, period. Government should stay the f*ck out of it. If enough people want a 500hp V8 powered Mustang that gets 15 mpg to warrant production, then the car company should be able to make it. The government is dictating what cars people can buy by dictating what cars can be built, and that's not right...especially in a supposed free market capitalist society.
Besides, we're just talking cars here...think of all the utility trucks and vans that people need to do their jobs everyday. You're not going to tow a trailor full of lawn equipment with a Fiat 500...or fit a bunch of plumming supplies/tools in a Focus.
Besides, we're just talking cars here...think of all the utility trucks and vans that people need to do their jobs everyday. You're not going to tow a trailor full of lawn equipment with a Fiat 500...or fit a bunch of plumming supplies/tools in a Focus.
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Wagonbacker9
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that s*** burns CLEAN....
I completely agree, I just mentioned the RS cause I really hoped it would make it here to the states. But ya, fcuk government regulations. What's next down the road.. checking how many time you flushed a toilet?
AutoEuphoria
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If you let them dictate one part of your life you leave the door wide open to have them dictate every part.
Amen, and it's the beginning of the end of choice...Thank you Republicans for ******* up so bad that we elected these asshats to office... :/ lesigh
Well, let's be honest here. It's GM and Chrysler that are letting themselves be dictated to here by going s*** broke and getting bought out by the government. If government didn't come in, those two companies wouldn't be making any cars at all right now. Meanwhile, you've gotta see the government's view point: if they don't come in, thats a giant amount of people who're going to be out of work all of the sudden.
My answer to this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle
In most cases, gasoline engines can be converted to burn hydrogen without much effort. I always liked this as a next step, but no one else seems to...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle
In most cases, gasoline engines can be converted to burn hydrogen without much effort. I always liked this as a next step, but no one else seems to...
Wagonbacker9
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the conversion is about the same as CNG/Propane... which off-road guys have been running as dual fuel for years...
all the talk of electric cars, but they want us to also conserve ENERGY usage too! Can you imagine how much energy/watts it takes to fully charge one of those electric cars. It would probably cost you a shitload to recharge your electric car at night and result in extra energy costs and energy usage and crap like that. They may be helping the ozone, but the energy costs to produce the extra power for people to charge the cars is probably going to effect the environment as well. Hopefully get what i'm saying here.
Wagonbacker9
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robbing peter to pay paul....
I don't ant my car running off propane, I know hat much. Go to home depot and stand near their fork lifts while they are operating them. They stink. I hate the smell of propane
