wrapped my ms3 around a pole :-/

[drledford93]

Well, at least we know one thing: That is he won't be raising the insurance rates for just the speed3 owners out there. (headshake

If you learn to really drive a car, you'll learn that they all do the same things. Tool.

 

[robin2660]

so he still might of ... <snip>

"Might've", short for "might have".

Let's show the world why America's great, kids. Show 'em you actually understand your own language! :flip:

 

[ecniemann]

"Might've", short for "might have".

Let's show the world why America's great, kids. Show 'em you actually understand your own language! :flip:

Wha U talkin bout playa? Tha scrip abuv is def legit textin!

Rap music FTL regarding the English language.

 

[rapter]

No. He lost grip and slid into a pole. FWD, AWD, RWD, it doesn't matter, he'd have had no more grip available to slow down any faster or adjust the orientation of the vehicle. AWD doesn't give you more grip. It isn't magical. It's just how you put the power down. He was sliding, and wouldn't have been able to put the power down.

AWD provides all kinds of differences in handling in certain circumstances, but when you are stuck in a slide and your tires aren't gripping at all, it doesn't matter what wheels power will go to, you're boned. The point, the central point here, is summer tires ****** him, and the drivetrain didn't matter one bit.

Yes, I agree he would of been f'd no matter what, summer tires are no good.
But i dont agree with the AWD not helping in a slide.
When i race my Speed 6 vs my Protege at the track every month. The speed 6 starts to slide around a cone, i step on it and hence all four wheels start pulling and my back end does throw me out. Now you are right that it only goes to a certian degree, if i slide too much it wont matter, ill still be screwed. but this is also in the summer with dry pavement, cant say on snow or ice. and dont feel like trying it iether. lol

just glad the guy is ok.

 

[rapter]

"Might've", short for "might have".

Let's show the world why America's great, kids. Show 'em you actually understand your own language! :flip:

Well thanks for the lesson, its hard when you have to learn english on your own you know.

and dont call me American. I'm Canadian.. well at least i live here.

And i belive its not Show'em, no such word, " show them".
But im Polish what do i know.....

 

[happy and angry]

Yes, I agree he would of been f'd no matter what, summer tires are no good.
But i dont agree with the AWD not helping in a slide.
When i race my Speed 6 vs my Protege at the track every month. The speed 6 starts to slide around a cone, i step on it and hence all four wheels start pulling and my back end does throw me out. Now you are right that it only goes to a certian degree, if i slide too much it wont matter, ill still be screwed. but this is also in the summer with dry pavement, cant say on snow or ice. and dont feel like trying it iether. lol

just glad the guy is ok.

I'm not saying it doesn't make a difference when you still have some grip, I'm saying that when you have zero grip, as you do on cold pavement with worn down summer tires in the middle of a sideways slide, it makes no difference. And it doesn't. The only reason you can power your rear end around in your Speed6 is because you have enough grip available to do so.

Plus, if his grip hadn't been totally compromised, and the collision was one that was physically avoidable, he'd have been able to avoid it no matter the drive train of his vehicle. He'd have had to use a different combination of throttle and brake in an FWD car than a RWD car of AWD car, but he's still have been able to do it.

You drive on circuits and race, right? You know there is a point at which you are so completely sideways that there is nothing you can do to recover. That point is virtually the same on every vehicle you will ever drive, no matter the drive train layout.

 

[rapter]

I'm not saying it doesn't make a difference when you still have some grip, I'm saying that when you have zero grip, as you do on cold pavement with worn down summer tires in the middle of a sideways slide, it makes no difference. And it doesn't. The only reason you can power your rear end around in your Speed6 is because you have enough grip available to do so.

Plus, if his grip hadn't been totally compromised, and the collision was one that was physically avoidable, he'd have been able to avoid it no matter the drive train of his vehicle. He'd have had to use a different combination of throttle and brake in an FWD car than a RWD car of AWD car, but he's still have been able to do it.

You drive on circuits and race, right? You know there is a point at which you are so completely sideways that there is nothing you can do to recover. That point is virtually the same on every vehicle you will ever drive, no matter the drive train layout.

Yeah thats why i said, on a dry track. didnt realize it was winter.
Of course no matter what you have if you have summer tires on ice it wont matter.

Yeah i said that there is a piont at which no matter what kind of car you drive it will slide out.
And with a FWD car there is so much oversteer that it will whip back to the other side, as in a AWD car you have less of that.

When you are equipped with the right tires tho....

 

[br289165]

Crazy ******. i drive those same fedex trucks in the background and believe me it takes a lot to do that much damage.

my car was a little tail happy around a wet turn. I was only going 40 and the rear end stepped out because of low traction with the stock worn down bridgestones. I tried to counter-steer and straighten the car out, but it was inevitable that I would slide out and there isn't much you can do with a FWD car as far as control is concerned. after the counter-steer had no success the car slid in a little groove in the left side of the road and finally it slammed into a telephone pole on the driver side door.

it's funny because I've had the rear end of this car out on dry pavement and it handles the turn with ease.


here are some aftermath pictures. the first 4 are at the scene of the crash, the rest are at the tow yard.

believe it or not I didn't get hurt at all. it was actually kind of cool now that I think about how the car crashed. the car is definitely very safe.


I just got a call from the insurance guy, it's also totaled. I figured that anyway since there is serious frame damage.


as far as my next car is concerned, it's not going to be front wheel drive. I need to try something more controllable and more consistent. I want to be able to point the car into the turn the way I see fit. I just don't really see how fwd is useful anymore and how it unbalances cars in most cases.
I've been looking at 04-07 wrx/sti's and even 08 wrx's. I've also been playing with the thought of an s2000 but I worry about the practicality of it as far as an all year round car. it might even be just a cheap car and I'll wait til the prices come down on some of the newer cars and get a bike in time for spring/summer.

 

[br289165]

If you want something new with AWD and a turbo look at the Mitsubishi Ralliart. A little heavier but has much potential.

 

[rapter]

^ why not EVO? also AWD turbo.

 

[GoFast]

^ why not EVO? also AWD turbo.

i think the ralliart is more in the same price range as the MS3

 

[oaklandopen]

i think the ralliart is more in the same price range as the MS3

ralliart actually has a base price above $26k, and on the other hand the wrx has a base price of just under $25k for the sedan. the wrx is a little closer to the ms3 than the mitsu, but that being said the base of a wrx is really more like the ms3 gt without nav in price (for '09)

the problem with the ralliart is it's a little more expensive than it's main rival the wrx, but it's a lesser deal performance-wise when dealing with hp, 0-60, and 1/4 mile times. subaru totally s*** on mitsubishi after the ralliart came out, and then wrx came out with a bunch more hp than before

 

[GoFast]

ralliart actually has a base price above $26k,

thats still alot closer than an evo

 

[happy and angry]

I guess I'm the only one that thinks it is ridiculous to want to spend an extra few grand to get an AWD sled because "FWD caused this accident" when it didn't?

 

[br289165]

I agree on the HP advantage the WRX has, but I never really liked the boxers as much as inline 4s.

ralliart actually has a base price above $26k, and on the other hand the wrx has a base price of just under $25k for the sedan. the wrx is a little closer to the ms3 than the mitsu, but that being said the base of a wrx is really more like the ms3 gt without nav in price (for '09)

the problem with the ralliart is it's a little more expensive than it's main rival the wrx, but it's a lesser deal performance-wise when dealing with hp, 0-60, and 1/4 mile times. subaru totally s*** on mitsubishi after the ralliart came out, and then wrx came out with a bunch more hp than before

 

[kickniteasy]

sucks dude....glad you're ok, looks like a real big hit. Mazda stock tires suck, I had to replace my tires on my pro after 2 years, well before they were worn out, because the florida rain made my car feel like I was driving on ice. I was concerned something similar to what happened to you would happen to me so I decided safety wasn't something I wanted to sacrifice. New tires were 1,000% better and I felt much safer driving in wet conditions. Good luck with your next car, with this economy being what it is you may be able to find a killer deal.

 

[Mazduh_Chick]

Im Sorry! Thats awful ! Good thing for a safe car...

 

[MS3Jon]

Glad to see you made it out okay!

 

[dcomiskey]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but I don't have time to read all 8 pages. You live in PA. It's winter. Snow on the ground, so clearly temps are below 40 degrees. What the hell are you doing riding on the stock tires? I'm really glad you're OK, but this was 100% your fault. You should know NOT to have these tires on in the winter. Period. That compound becomes ROCK HARD below 40 degrees. No wonder you had no control.

 

[mazdaspeedster3]

I am just curious what you are replacing this with? What are you driving now?