Beware MAZDA North America monitors Car Domain!!!!
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smakdown61
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Well their intake was such a "great" design, not only did it make the car run LEAN but it through CELs and was RECALLED. They recently released it so now it has the same maf housing as the cp-e and cobb sri along with an air straightener. I don't know how anyone can argue the designs of those two aftermarket intakes.
If that's the case, there is absolutely no reason to buy a cp-e or cobb sri as you can buy the Mazda CAI and not have to worry about any warranty issues...
Hydrolock isn't covered under warranty and you're a lot less likely to get hydrolock with an SRI at the same time making equal power and costing less. Also, SRI'S are easy to clean, install/ uninstall.
you're a lot less likely to get hydrolock if you don't drive through 8 inches of standing water.
lol (ugh)
smakdown61
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I'd prefer not to pay the 350-400 they charge for it. If I wanted a cai I'd get the cp-e one. Metal maf housing = better and cheaper.
the cobb and cp-e havent been put through the tests that the MS cai (made by AEM i believe) had. Just because YOU say its the same doesnt make it true. The engineers have to approve things before mazda can say its deemed worthy of being covered under warranty.
Once again, its not what you, or CPE or Cobb say, its what the engineers and mazda agree upon.
Once again, its not what you, or CPE or Cobb say, its what the engineers and mazda agree upon.
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Some of you may recognize this...lol
If a new car built by my company leaves Chicago traveling west at 60 miles per hour, and the rear differential locks up, and the car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside, does my company initiate a recall?
You take the population of vehicles in the field (A) and multiply it by the probable rate of failure (B), then multiply the result by the average cost of an out-of-court settlement (C).
A times B times C equals X. This is what it will cost if we don't initiate a recall.
If X is greater than the cost of a recall, we recall the cars and no one gets hurt.
If X is less than the cost of a recall, then we don't recall.
If a new car built by my company leaves Chicago traveling west at 60 miles per hour, and the rear differential locks up, and the car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside, does my company initiate a recall?
You take the population of vehicles in the field (A) and multiply it by the probable rate of failure (B), then multiply the result by the average cost of an out-of-court settlement (C).
A times B times C equals X. This is what it will cost if we don't initiate a recall.
If X is greater than the cost of a recall, we recall the cars and no one gets hurt.
If X is less than the cost of a recall, then we don't recall.
smakdown61
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LOL. How did first piece of s***, no air straightener, cel inducing, water holding, ms cai get past mazda engineers then huh? Mazda doesn't test these parts worth a s***. They get a 3rd party to make it, then they rebrand it and throw it on the shelf. This is obvious. Cobb and CP-E put WAY more effort and time than either AEM or Mazda could ever hope. That's their primary focus as a company. AEM is known for cutting corners and throwing out s*** products. You obviously haven't been in this game that long.
jersey_emt
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I love how this was directed at NCZ13....
I LOL @ the poster.
And they issued a recall on the intakes, right? Because it was their fault, warranty claims and dealer work resulting from the CAI are covered by Mazda.
They can do that because they brand and market the part, thus it's up to them to satisfy customers. If it's not their part... it isn't... if you blow your engine through running lean with someone else's intake, are they obliged to cover?
Aside from that obvious gaffe, most modification parts sold by dealerships through tuning partnerships, Nismo, Mazdaspeed, MOPAR, SVT, whatever, are relatively mild and aren't quite as powerful as similar aftermarket parts, in order to keep the warranty intact. (TRD supercharger gives you only an extra 40 hp... pretty pathetic on such a big motor, but necessary to keep the drivetrain warranty intact) When the parts do give you a lot of power, there are limitations and warranty exclusions placed with the package... for example the Saleen Focus was marketed by Ford, but using the nitrous package automatically voided your road warranty. (niiiiiiiice) Got a 300hp MOPAR kit for your Neon SRT4? Good luck...
Listen, Mazda isn't the greatest out there when it comes to aftersales service, but they are far from the worst. Nobody is going to give you a free ride, or even a fair deal once you start tearing into the car and modifying. That's something many of us take for granted, already. Along with the reality of "Pay to Play" Racing is tough on cars. You can get valve clatter from just a minute or two on the autocross... inducing enough oil starvation to get the top end of your motor pretty hot. Now do that a few dozen times...
I've replaced motor mounts, three clutches, a ton of bushings, my entire suspension, a third gear, two sets of brakes and have had my cams adjusted all because of wear-and-tear through track use. I could have had the cam-work done at the dealership because I'd just had my timing belt replaced before the cam jumped a tooth (and caused unwanted overheating and cavitation), but as the problem first occured on the racetrack, I decided to just work on it myself.
At the OP... go with Subaru or Mitsubishi, and the story's the same... if you want to enjoy your car the way it's best enjoyed, on the track, you won't get more than ten yards out without a manufacturer rep taking your picture and pinning it to the dealership wall. I suggest, if you don't want to deal with this crap, that you just get something else, and scout around for a secondhand WRX as a track toy.
IDC how much time CPE and Cobb invest in their products, that isnt the point. The point is that mazda deems them unworthy to be covered under the warranty if something goes wrong with the engine. There isnt a gray area in this. like I said before, its not what you or CPE or Cobb say about how high quality their product is. Its what mazda says goes. Argue that all you want, but at the end of the day mazda doesnt care.
I work at a parts dept at a hyundai dealership, I understand the warranty part process, being that i work with warranty and replacement parts all day every day. When something breaks under warranty in a car, it goes in a organized scrap area. And enough of it happens that the hyundai engineers wants to know whats going on (see equation posted a couple posts above, this relates to that) They send us a request saying to send the part to them. Once the parts are inspected, and the flaws are realized, a TSB is issued, and replacement parts are sent out to the dealerships saying this is what is common to go wrong among these models and these production dates. (see 2007 MS3 motor mount issue)
Obviously mazda did some sort of testing to have the AEM cai approved for use on their vehicles, until they realized it was causing issues, therefore it was revised (or not, idk if mazda re-released another version the MS CAI). They dont just haphazardly throw parts on cars. Were talking a giant company with countless numbers of engineers, they have to do some sort of testing to deem it safe for the road as well as emissions, or they couldnt sell the product.
Once again for clarification since you obviously arent understanding the point, regardless of what you or any of teh aftermarket companies think about the quality of their products, They are not approved by mazda to be used on the cars, and still retain a warranty if something goes wrong.
Was the AEM intake of lesser quality? Sure ill give you that, Ive seen the CPE products in person, and they certainly dont skimp on quality or RnD, but mazda doesnt give a s***. Does that seem stupid to you or me, or any other car enthusiast? Sure it does, but we are a small part of the demographic that buys their cars, that they really dont have to care.
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good post
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Yo Mazda North America, monitor this (fu) Check whatever websites you want. Send your hotest rep over so she can swallow bigtime! I've modded every part on my car & I don't give a s*** one about warranty denials!
mazda did not recall the intakes, they just put a stop sale on them.
the rest of your post is right on
FMOS Racing
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- 2008 MS3, plus a pickup and a beater car
I wish you could waive the warranty and get a further discount on a car
I tried very hard to buy my car without the warranty, but they wouldn't do it. I'm going to modify, race, and break it. I'm not going to commit fraud by removing stuff and attempting to convince a dealership it was all stock and just broke. Simply not my style.
Oh well, still hasn't gone boom. I need to try harder.
