Beware MAZDA North America monitors Car Domain!!!!

[parkerfe]

Like I have said Previously Mr. Lawyer.

..But how could you argue that the upgraded Turbo did not cause the Catastrophic failure of an engine.(now remember..this is an Example only)

And if you, as a lawyer, could get this persons "said" engine warrantied after it is shown that a Mod was placed on it that added stress to the OEM Engine over its designed parameters....Then you sir are the Same as the Owner of the Car.

A crook looking for someone else to pay.

Thats all.

You still fail to understand my friend. In your example, under MM the consumer does not have to prove that the turbo DID NOT cause the failure, the dealer has to prove that the turbo DID cause the failure. That's a huge difference. But, if the dealer can in fact PROVE that the after market turbo caused stress exceeding the OEM engine designed parameters, you are correct that the dealer would likely win. There lies the strength of the consumer's case...it is very difficult for the dealer to meet such a burden of proof. And why would it be crooked to make the dealer live up to its warranty and/or the law? Is it crooked for you to make your mortgage company to live up to the terms of your mortgage...or for the police to require you to live up to the terms of the law against theft. If you do not like the MM law, lobby Congress to change it. Until then, manufacturers of warrantied consumer products will need to comply with pro-consumer laws such MM. Using your logic, or lack thereof, the criminal defendant would have to prove his innocence rather than the state having to prove his guilt.

 

[ForceFed]

You still fail to understand my friend. In your example, under MM the consumer does not have to prove that the turbo DID NOT cause the failure, the dealer has to prove that the turbo DID cause the failure. That's a huge difference. But, if the dealer can in fact PROVE that the after market turbo caused stress exceeding the OEM engine designed parameters, you are correct that the dealer would likely win. There lies the strength of the consumer's case. And why would it be crooked to make the dealer live up to its warranty and/or the law? Is it crooked for you to make your mortgage company to live up to the terms of your mortgage...or for the police to require you to live up to the terms of the law against theft. If you do not like the MM law, lobby Congress to change it. Until then, manufacturers of warrantied consumer products will need to comply with pro-consumer laws such MM.

Also....If you want to play that....It tells you in your Manual and Other paperwork how the car is designed to be used and what will/won't affect/void the warranty.

I do beleive Aftermarket parts which do not conform to the OEM Specs would do so.

An aftermarket alteranator because you want to do the repairs yourself....Warranty still in place as its designed to replace an OEM part and perform as so.


Replacing a Turbo,Exhaust or intake to extract more power and performance from the car does not fall under this as it does not meet the OEM performance standards.

This is my last point on this subject.

Its simply funny how many people want their car to be warrantied after thay do modifications and something fails...Usually catastrophic , and they think Mazda should pay for it.
Wrong.

/Thread.

 

[jville]

This is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard, That's Basically violating your privacy, its like recording somebody without their concern which it means a waste of time and not legal if you go to court.. Automobile manufactures are already stealing peoples money with the prices they sell the cars, we all know any car don't really cost what they sell it for i know is all about business but, hey the money we all paid for our car are our business as well. Dealers charged s*** load of money for parts and labor basically ripping people off. People really just don't know what's going on with their cars once it crosses the line and go back to the shop area. i've seen mechanics swaping parts from one car to another, i've seen mazda mechanics telling their customer this is broken when is not, and once you pay them, you are just paying for your own good working part.. so who is stealing who ? we because we pay what they ask for their cars and slightly modify it, or them that lie to people saying we'll do these, we'll cover that, you'll have these, you'll have that, but once you sign the contract and take the car home it turns into a different story. This is my personal opinion optained through the years at Mazda Dealers BS i've gone through even when my car was brand new and fully stock. they always came up with some BS to not pay and fix under warranty.

So Hey if any Mazda NA are watching this, Use your time, money and business to make better cars, cars that really last long, with better quality and better quiality parts, not the s*** we all get and much less for the price we all pay.. instead of violating peoples privacy go head pay to have better mechanics, better employees and better mazda dealers facilities, not the POS employees you guys hire. 95 % of them don't have an idea what the hell they are doing and instead of fixing things they break things...

I don't know about dealers in your neck of the woods but i don't believe that is happeneing at mine. I'm an ASE master tech and i work for a rental car company doing manufacturer warranty work for our fleet vehicles, and you would not believe the sh*t customers do to cars and think that they can get away with it, i don't blame mazda either. PEOPLE ARE STUPID. If you don't want anyone to know about it, don't post it. Its not like mazda reps are breaking into your garage,jimmying your hood open and snapping pics of ur mods. $$ is $$. The 13 grand they saved not swapping a free motor into some Dumbasses speed 3 ,that had an MBC set to 24psi, is 13g they can dish out to the techs who really do deserve it and work a hell of alot harder than most people give us credit for.

 

[08MicaSpeed3]

OK. I have read this a couple of times in this thread about violating privacy...

If YOU post it on the internet it is NOT PRIVATE. There is nothing about the internet that is private so get over it! If you advertise what you have done or what you will do, you then assume responsibility for those statements made.

 

[bman2033]

How did Mazda know that it was you and did they have proof that it was your car and you were the owner of that car that was on the Domain? Unless you gave your vin number, full name, address, and social security number. I woul dhave told them you have the wrong guy, lol. But that does suck.

 

[MAZDA_SPEED]

Replacing a Turbo,Exhaust or intake to extract more power and performance from the car does not fall under this as it does not meet the OEM performance standards.

This is my last point on this subject.

Its simply funny how many people want their car to be warrantied after thay do modifications and something fails...Usually catastrophic , and they think Mazda should pay for it.
Wrong.

/Thread.

x2

 

[smakdown61]

OK. I have read this a couple of times in this thread about violating privacy...

If YOU post it on the internet it is NOT PRIVATE. There is nothing about the internet that is private so get over it! If you advertise what you have done or what you will do, you then assume responsibility for those statements made.

That's not entirely true. I'm not sure how the terms of joining this forum are set up but the owner of msf has made it extremely hard for mazda to legally use anything off that forum as evidence.

1. The terms on that forum state that if you join you agree you are not affiliated with Mazda NA in any way.
2. Since the forum is considered a PRIVATE establishment, hence the reason you can be censored and not claim 1st amendment, Mazda would have to get explicit written permission from the forum OWNER to use anything on the website as evidence.

Breaking either of those two could result in a big fat lawsuit against mazda by the forum owner. Not sure how the owner here does it but it would be very wise to set it up like that.

 

[CHIEFSMS3]

How did Mazda know that it was you and did they have proof that it was your car and you were the owner of that car that was on the Domain? Unless you gave your vin number, full name, address, and social security number. I woul dhave told them you have the wrong guy, lol. But that does suck.

So a picture or a video of your car in an autox event with you license plate number and your car number from the event aren't proof enough.

The guy still has pictures posted in another forum that clearly show his license plate number on the car during a autox event.

If you are that stupid or arrogant you deserve what you get. Just like the guy that went in for a broken shifter and forgot that he left drag strip timeslips in the console from the day before.

 

[MTuning]

..Just like the guy that went in for a broken shifter and forgot that he left drag strip timeslips in the console from the day before.

thats awesome. some people will amaze me. you just saved this thread from everyones bickering haha or atleast made me laugh

 

[Antonio DiMarco]

Its simply funny how many people want their car to be warrantied after thay do modifications and something fails...Usually catastrophic , and they think Mazda should pay for it.
Wrong.

/Thread.

I agree. Makes my head spin as well. People need to take responsibility for their actions.

I remember when I was in college and worked at one of the large electronics retailers. This woman came in a plopped a bag in front of me and told me that she wanted a free replacement because the product was defective. I opened the bag and it was one of those plastic balls with the buttons and lights that teach babies about causal relationships. The ball was smashed into several pieces. I politely told her that the manufacturers warrnaty did not cover abuse or negligence. SHe looked at me straight-faced and said no it's defective. I figured she didn't understand the difference between "Defective" and "Abusive", so I explained it to her as professionally as I could. She looked at me again and said, "Listen if it can't handle being driven over by my car then it's defective. My child could cut themselves on those sharp pieces. I didn't even try to discuss it the situation further. I passed it off to the store manager and he took care of it. She ended up getting a new one becasue she put up a stink.

That whole event made me realize that:

1. There are VERY STUPID and ARROGANT people in the world.
2. The customer is NOT always right.

 

[oaklandopen]

That's not entirely true. I'm not sure how the terms of joining this forum are set up but the owner of msf has made it extremely hard for mazda to legally use anything off that forum as evidence.

1. The terms on that forum state that if you join you agree you are not affiliated with Mazda NA in any way.
2. Since the forum is considered a PRIVATE establishment, hence the reason you can be censored and not claim 1st amendment, Mazda would have to get explicit written permission from the forum OWNER to use anything on the website as evidence.

Breaking either of those two could result in a big fat lawsuit against mazda by the forum owner. Not sure how the owner here does it but it would be very wise to set it up like that.

privacy doesn't matter anymore anyway, not since the USA PATRIOT act. but then again i doubt the us gov't will give out information in regards to an aftermarket turbo to mazda because of its terroristic tendencies...lol



and does parkerfe even have a mazda? if i was such a good lawyer of 23 years i woulda waved the flying M bye bye a long time ago and gotten a porsche instead

 

[08MicaSpeed3]

That's not entirely true. I'm not sure how the terms of joining this forum are set up but the owner of msf has made it extremely hard for mazda to legally use anything off that forum as evidence.

1. The terms on that forum state that if you join you agree you are not affiliated with Mazda NA in any way.
2. Since the forum is considered a PRIVATE establishment, hence the reason you can be censored and not claim 1st amendment, Mazda would have to get explicit written permission from the forum OWNER to use anything on the website as evidence.

Breaking either of those two could result in a big fat lawsuit against mazda by the forum owner. Not sure how the owner here does it but it would be very wise to set it up like that.

Your understanding of that rule is not entirely correct. Unless the forum blocks non-members from reading posts, anything you type can be quoted as long as Mazda NA discloses where they got their information from. What you type on most forums is just like you said it out loud. So the forum is only as private as the owner makes it. So unless you know you are protected by the establishment you assume responsibility for what you say.

 

[smakdown61]

Your understanding of that rule is not entirely correct. Unless the forum blocks non-members from reading posts, anything you type can be quoted as long as Mazda NA discloses where they got their information from. What you type on most forums is just like you said it out loud. So the forum is only as private as the owner makes it. So unless you know you are protected by the establishment you assume responsibility for what you say.

Nope. If you read the terms of the forum, the owner states he lays CLAIM TO ALL MEMBERS POSTS. Therefor, quoting from said forum is copyright infringement if you do not have the explicit written permission of the owner.

http://www.charlottewebdevelopment....main-and-internet-forums-bulletin-boards-etc/

 

[smakdown61]

Nope. If you read the terms of the forum, the owner states he lays CLAIM TO ALL MEMBERS POSTS. Therefor, quoting from said forum is copyright infringement if you do not have the explicit written permission of the owner.

http://www.charlottewebdevelopment....main-and-internet-forums-bulletin-boards-etc/

Its all about the terms of service. By even browsing the website you are agreeing to the terms of service for that act.

 

[my3needsaname]

It's believable but hard to believe. I like to use the shotgun method with my dealer. Although they seem to be getting more friendly these days...interesting.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I don't know about dealers in your neck of the woods but i don't believe that is happeneing at mine. I'm an ASE master tech and i work for a rental car company doing manufacturer warranty work for our fleet vehicles, and you would not believe the sh*t customers do to cars and think that they can get away with it, i don't blame mazda either. PEOPLE ARE STUPID. If you don't want anyone to know about it, don't post it. Its not like mazda reps are breaking into your garage,jimmying your hood open and snapping pics of ur mods. $$ is $$. The 13 grand they saved not swapping a free motor into some Dumbasses speed 3 ,that had an MBC set to 24psi, is 13g they can dish out to the techs who really do deserve it and work a hell of alot harder than most people give us credit for.

Well you should go to Ocean Mazda In Miami and teach them first how to treat their customer and second teach them how to fix their own cars, because not even with the proper tools and Workshop manuals they have the B+lls to find out what's going on and much less to fix the issue.. and instead of fixing they break it. I'm not exagerating, i got tired of taking my car for repair and maintenance and it goes in with 2 issues and comes out with 10 with poor quality labor. missing bolts, missing washers, etc etc etc..

 

[GoFast]

No..actually I just think its funny you guys pull the MM act....It has been tried many times and usually the owner loses.
The Dealers and MNAO has far too many resources and power for a little guy like us to fight.

Also....If you have modded.....And they find proof...Then it is what it is.
You pay to play.

However....for an Example...Changing your turbo in no way could void your warranty on a seat..or a radio...or any other part not directly related to the item you have changed.

And Entire Vehicle Warranty cannot be voided based solely Upon what the Dealer or MNAO had viewed on a website.

But....If you were smart...you wouldn't advertise your mods in any way that directly link them to your particular car.

Now..with this said.....Is this a little better response to the ridiculous thread at at hand here?
Did I satisfy your need for a longer response?


I have plenty of good ,Informative and helpful posts in my whopping 9K....But this thread warranted only the response I gave as its laughable at the responses that were posted.

Now....Get your panties out of the bunch they are in.

best post in this thread

 

[parkerfe]

Also....If you want to play that....It tells you in your Manual and Other paperwork how the car is designed to be used and what will/won't affect/void the warranty.

I do beleive Aftermarket parts which do not conform to the OEM Specs would do so.

An aftermarket alteranator because you want to do the repairs yourself....Warranty still in place as its designed to replace an OEM part and perform as so.


Replacing a Turbo,Exhaust or intake to extract more power and performance from the car does not fall under this as it does not meet the OEM performance standards.

This is my last point on this subject.

Its simply funny how many people want their car to be warrantied after thay do modifications and something fails...Usually catastrophic , and they think Mazda should pay for it.
Wrong.

/Thread.

Congress passed MM to allow consumers to use non-OEM parts despite of what the warranty states. If Congress wanted to exclude non-OEM performance oriented parts, it could have done so. The OEM performance standards are irrelevant. The only issue to be addresses per MM is whether the dealer can prove that the non-OEM part caused the failure for which warranty coverage is sought...that's it...nothing more. Otherwise the dealer could just make an unsupported allegation that a non-OEM part caused the failure and deny warranty claims at will. Is that what you really want?

 

[niky]

Again, reference previous post... a performance part can pass muster if it doesn't alter the operational parameters of the vehicle. I doubt even the best lawyer in the world can argue that a bigger turbo and a wastegate controller giving you 30 psi of boost is even remotely close to OEM spec.

A CAI is arguable in court. Brakes are. Suspensions are. Piggybacks, reflashes, etcetera... are not. Or, would not be, if I were the judge. I've got aftermarket EMS myself, and I recognize how easy it would be to blow a car up just by retuning the fuel the wrong way.

And here, we're not even touching upon the videos and pictures of the car on the autocross, which immediately invalidates the warranty due to the clause "off-road use". I know some people get a free ride on this if they know the right people at the dealership, but track-use invalidates nearly every motor vehicle warranty on the planet... except for race cars, and race cars have warranties stated in operational hours, not years.

 

[bgibb68]

I don't know about dealers in your neck of the woods but i don't believe that is happeneing at mine. I'm an ASE master tech and i work for a rental car company doing manufacturer warranty work for our fleet vehicles, and you would not believe the sh*t customers do to cars and think that they can get away with it, i don't blame mazda either. PEOPLE ARE STUPID. If you don't want anyone to know about it, don't post it. Its not like mazda reps are breaking into your garage,jimmying your hood open and snapping pics of ur mods. $$ is $$. The 13 grand they saved not swapping a free motor into some Dumbasses speed 3 ,that had an MBC set to 24psi, is 13g they can dish out to the techs who really do deserve it and work a hell of alot harder than most people give us credit for.

ok i must agree to both sides.....if you flaunt it...too bad...

yes people are stupid. but as a whole someone who goes in with a bad brake system and they claim warrenty voided due to an aftermarket CAI or SRI......tell them to blow it out their arse and anyone else.....


the point is....if you caused it...quit puttin the blame off....if they are being stupid sucker punch 'em.....

seriously quit bickering with one another people......