270hp 300tq but i think i could be better

[sleeping_blue]

i dyno the car today as you can see it wasent the best of runs. it was 92 degrees outside. and the a/f is way off the chart. the guy that did the dyno said if i can lean it out and add a psi and cooler weather i could easy be at 300 hp +. now i have an exed managment i just havent installed it yet. he said he can instal and dyno tune it for $400 so i am going to give it a wack on friday. some of you may remember me saying my car dident feel like it had the same pull after i add all them parts i think it is becouse i made the car way to rich. can any one give me there 3 cents on that.

ps sorry for the crappy scan i dont know why its that bad

 

[Young Roids]

what mods are on the car?

 

[sleeping_blue]

hks bov
hks intake
turbo xs fmic
cpe down and mid pipe
street unit mm
ngk plugs
pg manifold
there is other items but thats the power mods

 

[Boosted333]

Do you have a sound clip of how the car sounds with the CP-E and stock catback? Is the downpipe catted or non-cat ?

 

[sleeping_blue]

its has the hi flow cat
the only sound i got is with all them parts on and off my phone so its really not that great. but after i put that manifold on it really started to sound good and deep like a v8

 

[builthatch]

i dyno the car today as you can see it wasent the best of runs. it was 92 degrees outside. and the a/f is way off the chart. the guy that did the dyno said if i can lean it out and add a psi and cooler weather i could easy be at 300 hp +. now i have an exed managment i just havent installed it yet. he said he can instal and dyno tune it for $400 so i am going to give it a wack on friday. some of you may remember me saying my car dident feel like it had the same pull after i add all them parts i think it is becouse i made the car way to rich. can any one give me there 3 cents on that.

ps sorry for the crappy scan i dont know why its that bad

numbers are hard to quantify for many reasons, but what gets me is....the temps were 92, but the SAE correction was 1:1? that makes no sense whatsoever! did the car have time to cool down before the initial run on the dyno? did he have ample fans blowing? keep in mind he's gotta be able to try to reproduce some high speed air directed toward the car to give consistent, accurate readings.

do you have a dashhawk or something that monitors boost/vacuum? i'm curious what the vacuum is at idle on this thing, and i'd like to see a boost log.

 

[sleeping_blue]

i do have a dash hawk but the damn dog ate the cord to plug it into my computer so i stuck there until i can find another one
no there was no air being blown on the car this was done out side with no breeze

there was about a 10min max between runs
this is the first time i have ever dyno a car so this is all new to me like what is an SAE correction

 

[builthatch]

i do have a dash hawk but the damn dog ate the cord to plug it into my computer so i stuck there until i can find another one
no there was no air being blown on the car this was done out side with no breeze

there was about a 10min max between runs
this is the first time i have ever dyno a car so this is all new to me like what is an SAE correction

oops, you misunderstood me ; ) i'm concerned about time between the car arriving to the shop and the first run....

there were no fans! that is absolutely asinine!!!! i would not frequent this shop!!!!! they HAVE to get air flowing atleast to some extent over the IC, intake and radiator/ oil cooler. this is extremely crucial with a turbo car.

sae correction is a correction that basically takes alot of environmental factors into account and tries to adjust the dyno results to a scientific common ground. basically, adjust the numbers so it would mimic being done in a perfect weather laboratory. there is MUCH controversy about this as it applies to turbo engines, but what got me, regardless of the arguement, was the 1.00 correction factor under SAE. for all i know, he might have manually entered 1.00 as the factor, which would agree with alot of those who think SAE has no place with turbo dyno reading, but why didn't he just leave SAE away and use UNCORRECTED? i dunno, it just looks weird to me for it to say SAE @ 1.00 with 92 degree temps.

man, i would not worry about these sheets and go to the drag strip if possible. allow ample time between runs, maybe get an intercooler spray ring, and forget about dynoing in 92 degree temps on a dyno w/ no fan ; )

 

[Young Roids]

Well my dyno is not uploading for some reason but I am stock and I put up 248hp and 254ft-lbs on a dynojet. I believe the temp was 78 in the dyno room. My hp seemed way high and my torque seemed low.

 

[Young Roids]

 

[sleeping_blue]

intercooler spray ring what is that meth injection or what ever its called.
so in short this isent a good reading by any means and that it could quit possable be a much higher hp/tq number? also if i were to lean it out a bit this i beleave should up the power as well.
this is the only dyno shop in 30 miles it would be an easy 1 hour drive to the next closest one.
there was still about 15 mins from the time i got there until it was ran. the core timp was still around 214 -217.

 

[builthatch]

roids, that is a nice, flat tq curve! i like to look at curves vs. numbers, but naturally curves can be flawed for the same reason numbers can be; they are directly correlated, so if things are bad in the dyno environment, the curve will be useless too : (

when it comes to numbers, dynanometers suck, esp. with turbo cars. i think there are ways to make things pretty consistent, like using good fans, allowing for ample cool down between runs, etc, but i've come to learn that uncorrected is probably the best bet of any, but really...

tuning is what dynos are good for, and they have to be prepared properly. i prefer a dynapack or atleast something eddy current, but the real test is the drag strip; that is where you can see what where you are really at, especially using trap speeds vs. vehicle weight. oh, and engine dynos in a lab ; )

 

[builthatch]

intercooler spray ring what is that meth injection or what ever its called.
so in short this isent a good reading by any means and that it could quit possable be a much higher hp/tq number? also if i were to lean it out a bit this i beleave should up the power as well.
this is the only dyno shop in 30 miles it would be an easy 1 hour drive to the next closest one.
there was still about 15 mins from the time i got there until it was ran. the core timp was still around 214 -217.

well, i don't see a heatsoaked IC in 92 degree stagnant air making power numbers on a dyno that are impressive. but keep in mind what i've said about the worth of dyno numbers if things are not uber consistent and in line, like fans, etc. they go out the window, essentially. you can't tune in conditions like that, let alone try to get consistent measurable numbers.

meth injection is one way to go about cooling things down, but i was thinking, since you have an FMIC, you can add one of these - http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/Ntercooler.htm

 

[Young Roids]

They took off the shrouding and had the hood open with a fan blowing straight so I don't think it really cooled much down. My sae smoothing was says 5, what does that mean?

 

[sleeping_blue]

well i am going to put the exed in thursday and dyno and tune it friday morning before it gets to hot agin. sat morning i have to start heading back to kansas the only strip near by is an 1/8 mile its 50 miles to 1/4 miles strip so its going to be some time before i get to do that.

 

[sleeping_blue]

naw i really dont think i am going to go with the meth kit. not my style i am going to keep it simple

 

[builthatch]

They took off the shrouding and had the hood open with a fan blowing straight so I don't think it really cooled much down. My sae smoothing was says 5, what does that mean?

if im not mistaken, the SAE notation on that sheet is actually seperate from the correction info; it's noted just so you know what correction factor was used since you don't have it listed in one of the many other ways it can be shown. but anyway, the smoothing at 5 means the software took all sharp little spikes and dips and smoothed them out to the max. this is yet another area of controversy! alot of people read a graph w/o smoothing and see detonation/ leaning out, dying spark, etc, but many times it's actually flaws in the equipment that do this depending on the severity. it's crazy man; that's why i just leave the smoothing on 5 and worry more about curve attitudes vs. a/f logs when tuning.

 

[builthatch]

naw i really dont think i am going to go with the meth kit. not my style i am going to keep it simple

just to clarify, what i showed is not a meth injection kit; i am not sure if you are referring to that or not, but it is a co2 or nitrous (whatever you choose) spray bar for use over the front mount intercooler.

 

[truredspeed3]

I got 300whp/300wtq with similar mods.

 

[mckraut]

I feel like that guy messed up dynoing your car. I can't make an accurate guess at how much HP that would push out (newb car guy here), but I feel it would be better than 270hp with all those mods.