intcountzero
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Looking for new A/S tires that excel in winter. Any suggestions? I'm giving up the Dunlops. Not going back to them. They are great for summer, but scary in winter. I'm not interested in snow tires.
A/S Tires
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- 2002 22A P5 and 2007 TR MS3
Where are you located....My All/Seasons are Toyo Proxes4...but all I deal with is Rain...and I use chains for headin into the mountains..
intcountzero
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Toronto, Canada
The Proxes 4 and the TPT are the 2 brands I have been thinking about. The TPT in particular since the tread design is similar to the Michlins. The reviews on the tire sites are hokey at best, since they're skewed by too many anonymous posts. Wasn't sure what to make of them. How do you like yours?
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- 2002 22A P5 and 2007 TR MS3
I had both the TPT and the Proxes4...
According to my tire place, the TPT was discontinued in the 195/50/16 size, but I didn't really like them, they wore pretty fast and did poor in the rain, not as bad as the Stock Dunlops, but still not great....They wore out in like 30K miles...but I had a 60K mile warranty, so got the Proxes4 for free...so I'm not bitchin...
So far so good on the Proxes4...Seem to do good in the rain, and VERY VERY light snow....haven't driven them on real snow...and probably won't...
If you're in Canada...You should just give-up and get Snow-tires in the winter...or move to Vancouver...were all it does is rain...all year...
According to my tire place, the TPT was discontinued in the 195/50/16 size, but I didn't really like them, they wore pretty fast and did poor in the rain, not as bad as the Stock Dunlops, but still not great....They wore out in like 30K miles...but I had a 60K mile warranty, so got the Proxes4 for free...so I'm not bitchin...
So far so good on the Proxes4...Seem to do good in the rain, and VERY VERY light snow....haven't driven them on real snow...and probably won't...
If you're in Canada...You should just give-up and get Snow-tires in the winter...or move to Vancouver...were all it does is rain...all year...
intcountzero
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The only thing that cancerns me about the 4's is the design. Very performance oriented. Being in Van, I have no doubt you're enjoying those. We need a more well-rounded solution out here, unfortunately. Snow tires are, in fact, the REAL solution in every place but my bank account. So hopefully the 4's will allow us to survive next winter (global warming, don't fail me now!!).
Thanx for the advice...
Judge Mills
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Just got mine yesterday (drunk)
From experience the Kumho ASX are crap in the snow.
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- 2002 22A P5 and 2007 TR MS3
Everything is gonna be crap in the snow..
Performance tire = Terrible in Snow...no way around it...
I'm still voting for get some Proxes4 for spring/summer/fall, and start saving for some real steelies/snow tires for the winter..
Performance tire = Terrible in Snow...no way around it...
I'm still voting for get some Proxes4 for spring/summer/fall, and start saving for some real steelies/snow tires for the winter..
the tortoise
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I just wore out a set of Proxes4 in about 50,000 km. Excellent summer tire. No way in hell would I use it in the winter.
I think your best bet is gonna be the BFG Traction T/A in a 205/50.
I think your best bet is gonna be the BFG Traction T/A in a 205/50.
BF Goodrich Traction T/A 205/50-16
Superior 8.6-10 *****/ Excellent 6.6-8.5 ****/ Good 4.6 - 6.5 ***/
Fair 2.6 - 4.5 **/ Unacceptable 0- 2.5*
**** 7.3 Would buy again?
**** 8.2 Hydroplaning Resistance
**** 8.3 Wet Traction
**** 8.5 Cornering Stability
***** 8.9 Dry Traction
**** 8.4 Steering Response
**** 7.1 Light Snow Traction
*** 6.0 Deep Snow Traction
*** 5.9 Ice Traction
**** 7.5 Ride Comfort
**** 7.1 Noise Comfort
**** 7.4 Treadwear
I love these tires as a good all round tire. These will not beat a summer / winter tire combo, but it is a lot cheaper. The tires have a steel reinforced side wall unlike the Kumo ASX tires and do not flex. The tires are 22 lbs in the size I mentioned and will fit on stock 02-03 wheels just fine. The wear is 440 and they are AA traction with A temperature ratings. The tires weight is 2 lbs more than the dunlops, but they are much better tires. How much better?
*** 4.8 Would buy again?
*** 5.8 Hydroplaning Resistance
*** 6.2 Wet Traction
**** 7.9 Cornering Stability
**** 8.2 Dry Traction
**** 8.1 Steering Response
*** 4.7 Light Snow Traction
** 3.0 Deep Snow Traction
** 3.5 Ice Traction
**** 6.9 Ride Comfort
**** 7.0 Noise Comfort
*** 6.2 Treadwear
These tires rating is 360 and AA traction. The weight is 20 lbs per tire. The killer is that these tires cost $18 more per tire than the BF's! I have run these tires in AutoXing and they worked pretty good. They are very good at communicating to the driver the amount of traction you have. I would recommend using higher psi in your tires to either get better mpg or traction for autoxing (36 psi vs. 32). Though this will wear the tires more in the center of course.
Superior 8.6-10 *****/ Excellent 6.6-8.5 ****/ Good 4.6 - 6.5 ***/
Fair 2.6 - 4.5 **/ Unacceptable 0- 2.5*
**** 7.3 Would buy again?
**** 8.2 Hydroplaning Resistance
**** 8.3 Wet Traction
**** 8.5 Cornering Stability
***** 8.9 Dry Traction
**** 8.4 Steering Response
**** 7.1 Light Snow Traction
*** 6.0 Deep Snow Traction
*** 5.9 Ice Traction
**** 7.5 Ride Comfort
**** 7.1 Noise Comfort
**** 7.4 Treadwear
I love these tires as a good all round tire. These will not beat a summer / winter tire combo, but it is a lot cheaper. The tires have a steel reinforced side wall unlike the Kumo ASX tires and do not flex. The tires are 22 lbs in the size I mentioned and will fit on stock 02-03 wheels just fine. The wear is 440 and they are AA traction with A temperature ratings. The tires weight is 2 lbs more than the dunlops, but they are much better tires. How much better?
*** 4.8 Would buy again?
*** 5.8 Hydroplaning Resistance
*** 6.2 Wet Traction
**** 7.9 Cornering Stability
**** 8.2 Dry Traction
**** 8.1 Steering Response
*** 4.7 Light Snow Traction
** 3.0 Deep Snow Traction
** 3.5 Ice Traction
**** 6.9 Ride Comfort
**** 7.0 Noise Comfort
*** 6.2 Treadwear
These tires rating is 360 and AA traction. The weight is 20 lbs per tire. The killer is that these tires cost $18 more per tire than the BF's! I have run these tires in AutoXing and they worked pretty good. They are very good at communicating to the driver the amount of traction you have. I would recommend using higher psi in your tires to either get better mpg or traction for autoxing (36 psi vs. 32). Though this will wear the tires more in the center of course.
I live in Hamilton, and have to say that snow tires are the best investment I've made for the car. Of course, I also used to work up in northern ontario where they were truely needed, not a nice thing to have. As for the cost, in the long run it only costs about $150 extra for a set of snow tires, just for the steel rims. Since your summer tires will last longer, overall the total cost isn't that much more.
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