cobb access port question

[Yoo Shin]

I'm also a Subaru guy that's really considering the leap to a MS3.

I have the Cobb AP for my 06 WRX and while it's dyno didn't look very impressive, it's the curve that really needs to be looked at. For example the torque shifted from 230lbs @ 4200 down to 271lbs at 2900 rpms.

On my WRX the gains were modest when comparing before and after numbers but the translation to the drag strip is were it was apparent. A stock 06 WRX would run 5.4 0-60s with 14sec qtr at 95 where a Cobb Stage II runs 4.8 0-60s and low 13s in the qtr.

Plus there are ton of tuners experience with the Cobb software and products, and will be very familure with the MS3's AP. Some tuners will even offer "mail order" tunes with feadback from data logs, like PDX Tunning so you wouldn't even have to leave your house to get a tune.

 

[numbnuts22715]

well PG has their harness coupler that you can use so that you don't have to splice into the factory wires.

450 dollars later....

 

[numbnuts22715]

I'm also a Subaru guy that's really considering the leap to a MS3.

I have the Cobb AP for my 06 WRX and while it's dyno didn't look very impressive, it's the curve that really needs to be looked at. For example the torque shifted from 230lbs @ 4200 down to 271lbs at 2900 rpms.

On my WRX the gains were modest when comparing before and after numbers but the translation to the drag strip is were it was apparent. A stock 06 WRX would run 5.4 0-60s with 14sec qtr at 95 where a Cobb Stage II runs 4.8 0-60s and low 13s in the qtr.

Plus there are ton of tuners experience with the Cobb software and products, and will be very familure with the MS3's AP. Some tuners will even offer "mail order" tunes with feadback from data logs, like PDX Tunning so you wouldn't even have to leave your house to get a tune.

This is exactly how I feel about this all. Peak numbers mean nothing. Our car's are not dyno queens. Thank you for expressing it in a well worded manner.

 

[sleeper3]

I'm also a Subaru guy that's really considering the leap to a MS3.

I have the Cobb AP for my 06 WRX and while it's dyno didn't look very impressive, it's the curve that really needs to be looked at. For example the torque shifted from 230lbs @ 4200 down to 271lbs at 2900 rpms.

On my WRX the gains were modest when comparing before and after numbers but the translation to the drag strip is were it was apparent. A stock 06 WRX would run 5.4 0-60s with 14sec qtr at 95 where a Cobb Stage II runs 4.8 0-60s and low 13s in the qtr.

Plus there are ton of tuners experience with the Cobb software and products, and will be very familure with the MS3's AP. Some tuners will even offer "mail order" tunes with feadback from data logs, like PDX Tunning so you wouldn't even have to leave your house to get a tune.

$450ish for the personal tuning software from cobb, plus it won't be available for a year. making the total investment 1100 or more and a years time with the crappy base tune... I mean how many people have all cobb stuff on their cars?

 

[numbnuts22715]

I dont understand why everybody thinks that it's crappy just because the peak gains are not huge.
To my knowledge, no pricing has been announced for the street tuner software.
The intake is the only thing that matters, and to be honest, it's probably one of the most widely used ones, if not, the most used.
Exhaust doesnt matter, I really don't think a good fmic will matter either.

 

[sleeper3]

maybe if they get the tuning software out quickly, it will be a good thing. as long as price isn't too much. Id on't remember where I read that price, but I remember seeing it.

 

[MS3077]

I'm also a Subaru guy that's really considering the leap to a MS3.

I have the Cobb AP for my 06 WRX and while it's dyno didn't look very impressive, it's the curve that really needs to be looked at. For example the torque shifted from 230lbs @ 4200 down to 271lbs at 2900 rpms.

On my WRX the gains were modest when comparing before and after numbers but the translation to the drag strip is were it was apparent. A stock 06 WRX would run 5.4 0-60s with 14sec qtr at 95 where a Cobb Stage II runs 4.8 0-60s and low 13s in the qtr.

Plus there are ton of tuners experience with the Cobb software and products, and will be very familure with the MS3's AP. Some tuners will even offer "mail order" tunes with feadback from data logs, like PDX Tunning so you wouldn't even have to leave your house to get a tune.

I don't think a stock 06 wrx runs 14 flat in the 1/4. I thought they ran somewhere around 14.2-14.5. Can you post an article or something showing a 06 wrx running 14.0 in the 1/4? You might be right just never heard of it.

 

[Yoo Shin]

$450ish for the personal tuning software from cobb, plus it won't be available for a year. making the total investment 1100 or more and a years time with the crappy base tune... I mean how many people have all cobb stuff on their cars?

I understand the price point of veiw and a lot of my Evo friends feel the same. What's also nice about the Cobb software and Accessport (aka AP) is that it'll resale for a good bit of it's original price. Back when I got my AP for my WRX, even used APs were going for $500+. At least you can have some value back if you got rid of the car plus unloading (unmarrying) maps is a cinch.

I dont understand why everybody thinks that it's crappy just because the peak gains are not huge.
To my knowledge, no pricing has been announced for the street tuner software.
The intake is the only thing that matters, and to be honest, it's probably one of the most widely used ones, if not, the most used.
Exhaust doesnt matter, I really don't think a good fmic will matter either.

I've talked to quite a few tuners about the Subaru and Evo and they all pretty much agree that the first areas that often need to be addressed is the flow from the downpipe. Intakes, and CBE have marginal affect(effects?) compared to the effeciencies gained from a larger free flowing downpipe. FMICs and Intakes are often benificial only to larger turbos and custom tunes. Plus most get them because they look cool.

maybe if they get the tuning software out quickly, it will be a good thing. as long as price isn't too much. Id on't remember where I read that price, but I remember seeing it.

It'd be a solid guess it'd be the same price as the Subaru software.

Patience, this stuff will be out before you know it. Cobb puts together good stuff. They're a relatively small outfit and very anal about how their stuff works. Reliability is their # priority.

I don't think a stock 06 wrx runs 14 flat in the 1/4. I thought they ran somewhere around 14.2-14.5. Can you post an article or something showing a 06 wrx running 14.0 in the 1/4? You might be right just never heard of it.

Some off of NUTSAC ran 14.1-14.2 stock but you're right it's typically mid 14s. I should have been more specific.

I do have to say that you MS3 guys got some really cool cars and again, I might be jumping the Subaru ship here soon along with a few of my other Subaru buddies, for the MS3.

EDIT: MS3077, how do you like you shifter bushings and shifter? Does it really help the feel of the gates?

 

[MS3077]

Yoo Shin - The TWM SS & Bushings make a huge improvement over the stock shifter. The Short throw shifter shortens the throws 30% and the bushings make transition into gears much more precise and direct. I would higly recommend! $263.00 for the TWM SS & Bushings shipped from SU and the install is pretty easy.

 

[wisniaPl]

$450ish for the personal tuning software from cobb, plus it won't be available for a year. making the total investment 1100 or more and a years time with the crappy base tune... I mean how many people have all cobb stuff on their cars?

they will release couple maps
personally I will buy ap and wait for new maps with diff stage, by the way they are for free (right??)...Im not loooking into 100hp gains with only tune

 

[enganear]

I have the Cobb AP for my 06 WRX and while it's dyno didn't look very impressive, it's the curve that really needs to be looked at. For example the torque shifted from 230lbs @ 4200 down to 271lbs at 2900 rpms.

On my WRX the gains were modest when comparing before and after numbers but the translation to the drag strip is were it was apparent. A stock 06 WRX would run 5.4 0-60s with 14sec qtr at 95 where a Cobb Stage II runs 4.8 0-60s and low 13s in the qtr.

Trap speed is proportional to area under the torque curve. Peak horsepower is just not that meaningful in the real world.
-enganear

 

[numbnuts22715]

I've talked to quite a few tuners about the Subaru and Evo and they all pretty much agree that the first areas that often need to be addressed is the flow from the downpipe. Intakes, and CBE have marginal affect(effects?) compared to the effeciencies gained from a larger free flowing downpipe. FMICs and Intakes are often benificial only to larger turbos and custom tunes. Plus most get them because they look cool.

I wasnt saying that exhausts and fmics wont help our car. I was saying that for Cobb's flashes, for the accessport, you can have a different brand turboback and most likely a differnet brand fmic as long as its not junk, and you'd be okay with their basemaps...

 

[sleeper3]

I wasnt saying that exhausts and fmics wont help our car. I was saying that for Cobb's flashes, for the accessport, you can have a different brand turboback and most likely a differnet brand fmic as long as its not junk, and you'd be okay with their basemaps...

I had to read it twice before I figured out that's what you were saying too.

 

[yager]

I have to say I am completely dissapointed by the numbers, But I still must purchase the AP, I know from expierence that the pro-tune will make it worth while.

 

[Absent-Minded]

The argument of price on the AP and software is kind of ridiculous, IMHO. It's not overpriced, it's market priced. There are numerous other companies (auto or other) that could be complained to for definitively overpricing their products. In this case, start with automobile manufacturers.

If you're an appearance-modder, you'll likely spend at least three times the cost of the AP and software on crap (read: stuff) that does nothing more than "look" good. If you're performance oriented, than you should already know that power and handling comes with a price. And a lot of times an unusually high price for what you actually gain.

Will I get the AP? Most likely yes, though once it has been out there and some have had time to play with it. Will I get the software? Probably not, but that may change depending on what I choose to do.

Just my thoughts on it.

 

[AutoXRacer]

I have to say I am completely dissapointed by the numbers, But I still must purchase the AP, I know from expierence that the pro-tune will make it worth while.

Just wait a little longer... Superchips will be coming out with an AP twin...along with CP-E working on a flash and a few other options with other vendors...

Don't get all caught up on the "Cobb" band-wagon, they might be great on Subbies, but no one knows what the outcome with Mazdas will be...

Just let the tuning wars simmer...

 

[sleeper3]

all I am saying price wise is that $700 would be better spent on an intake, valve, and midpipe. you'd pick up way more than 10 hp.

 

[sleeper3]

Just wait a little longer... Superchips will be coming out with an AP twin...along with CP-E working on a flash and a few other options with other vendors...

Don't get all caught up on the "Cobb" band-wagon, they might be great on Subbies, but no one knows what the outcome with Mazdas will be...

Just let the tuning wars simmer...

(mswerd)

 

[DAC17]

I've had Cobb maps for other Subie's, and they're a very good balance of increased power and engine life. As I understand, only a 91 octane map is coming out at first. Once you get comfortable with that increase, they'll bring out the 93 octane maps (those should be free to the AP owners).

I'll be getting mine.

 

[yager]

They start shipping the week of 5/12

-THATS MONDAY-