wash/wax kits

see i think thats a waste of product... do you ever have trouble removing the layer?

i apply LSP panel by panel. doing the horizontal panels first (roof, trunk lid, hood)

after the hood i wrap around the car starting with the drivers side fender and going counter clockwise finishing on the front bumper.
 
nope, no problems at all and very little (if ever?) issues with buildup on the cloths. But then, I wax my car every 2-3 months and wash it once or twice a week so the wax just glides on and off.

I wax the entire car at once. I used to do panel by panel but came to the conclusion the wax really didnt have time to dry so eventually went to applying to entire car...
 
Nope. Sorry about that man. Well, now your life will be easier. :)

You have it right about the thin part. Thin is all that is needed since the rest is being buffed off. But the curing process happens after the product is buffed off.

hmm... are you a "pinnacle" fan? lol. great advice, btw.

i think that no matter what wax you go with, there will always be something better out there. for a simple car enthusiast like myself, mothers works just fine. if you're feeling a little crazy, spring for something online.

mothers reflections looks great on dark colored cars. i'm still not sure what kind of wax i'm going to use on my sunlight silver. not sure if i want to use mothers clay bar again either...

thrillride: you know of any better OTC claybar than mothers?
 
Somthing else that might make your life a bit easier...
Cure time is overhyped. Carnauba doesn't need more than 2-3 hours cure time (depending on humidity). After it has sat for an hour spritz it with pure water and buff. That allows the wax to level and set and brings out the depth and shine. Even the big name wax makers suggest this method. I see guys that swear by 24 hours or even a week. fact is it does nothing but waste time. Synthetic waxes/Sealants have different molecular makeups and require different approaches. I prefer to use syns that cure in an hour such as the opti-seal. Others require the solvents in them to evaporate, which equates to cure time. I'm no chemist so it'd be really hard to say how much time is really necessary for each type of synthetic. Thickness and humidity play a role as well. If you're unsure just give is a day and come back to add another.
 
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hmm... are you a "pinnacle" fan? lol. great advice, btw.

i think that no matter what wax you go with, there will always be something better out there. for a simple car enthusiast like myself, mothers works just fine. if you're feeling a little crazy, spring for something online.

mothers reflections looks great on dark colored cars. i'm still not sure what kind of wax i'm going to use on my sunlight silver. not sure if i want to use mothers clay bar again either...

thrillride: you know of any better OTC claybar than mothers?

Not really. Pinnacle Detail is the name of my detailing business. I had the name before I ever found Pinnacle products. And in fact most of them I don't use other than souv. Souv. is a very nice wax btw. High on my list of carnaubas.

Claymagic clay. Cheaper and its the original.
 
I've had this car for about 4 months now and this will be the first time I've washed it on my own lol. That's why I wanted some advice on products. I just don't want to mess anything up.
 
I've had this car for about 4 months now and this will be the first time I've washed it on my own lol. That's why I wanted some advice on products. I just don't want to mess anything up.


Here is a good beginners guide: http://autopia.org/forum/guide-to-detailing/
The products mentioned inside are all ok but certaily look around for other options. Check the forums for reviews of products and check other sites as well like autogeek.

And check here for sites with several other product options:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123682757
 
Anyone heard of Cilajet or Jetseal 109? Cilajet is way too expensive and only avail thru dealerships...
 
some of the other detailers on the other forums in on have used jetseal, but ive never heard of the other one.
 
When I see products that claim to last the life of ownership I get a bit wary. I don't see how it could do what it claims. I don't like the idea of having anything bond and not be able to remove it. Just don't see how they can continue to make money on the product if it actually does what they say. I've seen these kind of things come and go. I'm sure this one will go next.

Chemical guys jetseal is ok at best. It is not as durable as many others. It tends to brighten too much for my liking also. Honesly I just don't see wasting money on Chemical guys products. They just aren't as good as others out there.
 
When I see products that claim to last the life of ownership I get a bit wary. I don't see how it could do what it claims. I don't like the idea of having anything bond and not be able to remove it. Just don't see how they can continue to make money on the product if it actually does what they say. I've seen these kind of things come and go. I'm sure this one will go next.

Chemical guys jetseal is ok at best. It is not as durable as many others. It tends to brighten too much for my liking also. Honesly I just don't see wasting money on Chemical guys products. They just aren't as good as others out there.

thrillride, i don't think i've seen you suggest anything in particular when assorted products have been mentioned, but i've see you shoot down almost all of them, save a couple that you seemed to consider 'acceptable' and maybe one or two you actually seem to like or have liked.

that said, can you give some personal opinions on some stuff that is available that you prefer for some of the common steps involved in the typical enthusiasts care care regimen? if you've done this type of thing before, please forgive me, but i can't seem to get any type of positive info from your posts in this thread, but it's obvious you know what you are talking about.

if you don't mind, of course, i'd like to list some categories and i'd like you to suggest what you'd use, personally...stuff that is readily available if possible.

-microfiber towels for polish/wax removal

-hand polish, effective vs. light swirling

-final hand wax

-tire treatment

-hand scratch remover type product that is possibly a little more aggressive than a polish. something that will actually help a light clear coat scratch vs. a temp filler hide. for all i know, your polish suggestion might handle this task?

i use what i use for many reasons, but i'd like to know what you use so i can break out of my methodology and try something else based solely on someone else's system vs. piecing together a system through trial and error. individuality and creativity are cool for music and art, but for this- it's a pick it and go mentality that i prefer.
 
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I read the how-do guide on autogeek.net (http://www.autogeek.net/exterior.html) and that helped a lot. At least I have some idea of the types of products to look for. I made the mistake of buying terrycloth and that didn't work out too well. I bought some stuff from autogeek.net so hopefully my next wash would be better.
 
I just use the microfiber towels from the local autoparts stores. They work just fine. Even picked up a microfiber drying towel that puts chamois to shame :)
 
thrillride, i don't think i've seen you suggest anything in particular when assorted products have been mentioned, but i've see you shoot down almost all of them, save a couple that you seemed to consider 'acceptable' and maybe one or two you actually seem to like or have liked.

that said, can you give some personal opinions on some stuff that is available that you prefer for some of the common steps involved in the typical enthusiasts care care regimen? if you've done this type of thing before, please forgive me, but i can't seem to get any type of positive info from your posts in this thread, but it's obvious you know what you are talking about.

if you don't mind, of course, i'd like to list some categories and i'd like you to suggest what you'd use, personally...stuff that is readily available if possible.

-microfiber towels for polish/wax removal

-hand polish, effective vs. light swirling

-final hand wax

-tire treatment

-hand scratch remover type product that is possibly a little more aggressive than a polish. something that will actually help a light clear coat scratch vs. a temp filler hide. for all i know, your polish suggestion might handle this task?

i use what i use for many reasons, but i'd like to know what you use so i can break out of my methodology and try something else based solely on someone else's system vs. piecing together a system through trial and error. individuality and creativity are cool for music and art, but for this- it's a pick it and go mentality that i prefer.


builthatch,

I certainly don't mean to come across as negative, and certainly only negative. I usually prefer not to offer up opinion on products without be asked, and so far the ones in this thread I don't have a possative critique for. And I don't like do say "that product sucks, use this instead". That doesn't give me much credability for what I do. Now, there are plenty of products out there that I love and feel good about using in my business every day. Some of which you can find by searching these forums. So, since you have asked about specifics here is what I think (keep in mind I use a lot of different products and try out almost everything on the market, so I won't list every thing I love. Want to know more feel free to PM me.):

MF towels for polish/wax removal - Honestly anything with a thick nap, good weave, a 70/30 blend is usually best, and the higher the fibers per sq. inch the better. The thick nap is really key for product removal. If the towel gums up easy its not as effective, so the more it can suck up the better. Cobra is a nice brand, Pak Shak carries good towels, and one the few product from wal-mart that I actually like is their blue microtex MF towels. They have held up really well and performed just fine. Always remove the tags before use and washing prior to first use.

Hand polish for light swirls - Let me first say that anything by hand will not work as well as by machine. The thought of polishing by hand ever again just makes me...(help). A couple of products that I really like by hand are: scratchx (probably the last choice of these but its in stores), Jeff's Werkstatt Prime, Clearkote vanilla moose.

Final Hand Wax - I can't possibly go into this in detail. There are way too many that I like for different reason and for different situations. So just a couple that tend to get used the most often: For Carnaubas Clearkote Carnauba Moose wax, P21S, Pinnacle Souvereign, All Zymol Carbon (love a lot more Zymol but most are too expensive to keep in stock. only get used for the best cars and customers.)
For Synthetics: Optimum opti-seal, clearkote vanilla moose, Optimum car wax (for spray wax), Jeff's Werkstatt AJT.

Tire treatment - I don't usually use high shine products unless a cutomer asks for it, and most prefer a nice low gloss clean looking product anyway. Also High shine products, especially OTC tend to sling. My choices: No touch tire shine, Optimum tire shine, and for a local OTC trick...Nascar tire shine!! Very surprising product, quality water base that doesn't sling, nice looks, and actually has lasted well so far. I am currently working up a comparo for tire shines. Be on the look out in the detailins section for that.

Hand Scratch Remover - The products mentiond for light swirls could be used to take a shot at heavier issues. But without a machine anything by hand is going to be subpar. Products OTC typically only hide and fill these kinds of issues. Best to get a quality polish and machine. The polishes require head and friction greater than you can product by hand, in order to properly break down and do the job.

Hope this little bit helps you and others viewing. As I said I use alot of products for various situations so I could never list everything. If you have specific questions I can list products I use, otherwise I don't push my choices on anyone.
 
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thrillride, thanks alot for this info. my frustration was directly related to the fact that i've been lurking around the appearance forum, and have gained a decent amount of respect for your opinion and info. the problem was, when i searched, i could never really see what you like vs. what you don't, but you explained all that, so as they say, 'it's all good'!

thanks again for the info, i will investigate this info and see how it works out.
 
For me, I have been hesitant to ever wax my previous car, but I decided to go with Meguiar's Gold Class wash and the NXT 2.0 Tech Wax.

I was AMAZED how easy the wax went on and then also came off. It gave my MS3 a beautiful shine and I dust the car off every morning now :)
 
I just tried the tech wax paste on my black mica 08.5 MS3 and was very happy with the glow it gave the paint. Previously I had tried the cleaner wax and it was ok, but didnt give the deep gloss and smooth finish of the tech wax paste.

Call me silly, I have always preferred a paste wax because you seem to get more applications out of a container...
 
well, i got the stuff from autogeek...

optimum polish - this stuff is probably awesome, but by hand it can't do what it is capable of, thrillride was right. it's not that it doesn't polish, it does, esp if you use a dense foam like that on the yellow side of their double sided wolfgang app pad, but to truly remove swirls, it needs a little speed and a little heat. yes, i could continue to use something that will hide swirls, like the mass market stuff, but i want to remove them, and the only way to do that is with a machine. I ordered a 7424 and some pads for this purpose, so i will report back.

Pinnacle Soveran wax - REALLY nice. it's everything they say it is. i will wait it out to see what kind of durability it gives, and also, what it looks like in the day light vs. flourescent garage/ artificial lighting, but man- this stuff seems to be the ticket so far. it'll be ideal once i get my machine to polish underneath it.

optimum water based tire stuff - i like this product so far. it's a sheen that makes the tire look clean and new, instead of looking like it was detailed with glossy goo. the big test for me with this stuff is durability. i don't have a problem with reapplying at wash time, but i just am curious how a water based product stands up. i washed the car after letting it sit for a day and it seems to have left a new tire look. very nice. ill see what happens as time goes on...
 
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