Factory BPV - Leaks

How does a new BPV interfere regarding warranty repairs and dealership visits? I'm completely new to boost, especially OEM boost. I'm thinking that I'll need to make sure I get a boost gauge installed to make sure I monitor everything myself.


Also what about this dual port valve Turbosmart from ***************?
 
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What exactly makes a valve leak? Isn't there equal pressure on both 'sides' of the bpv?


There will always be some pressure loss and there will be a VERY small lag between when the two sides see pressure. But if the pressure loss is great enough and the lag long enough a weakly sprung valve will open slightly and once open it may take a few hundred RPM to close fully.

This sort of leak, opening and releasing pressure, is far more detrimental than a valve that leaks pressure during a static pressure test (as long as it isn't a ridiculous amount). For instance, an aftermarket piston based valve might bleed pressure slowly during a bench test but outperform an OEM diaphragm in every real world scenario even though the stock valve loses no pressure in the same test.
 
Crap, I never thought about that. Bah, I could have logged the BAT before and after if I had thought to do so. Maybe I will do so this weekend. I know I use to hit like 110 or so before and now I think I max out at like 95 while moving. But then again, this is from memory and very well could be wrong.


BAT? Is that the intake temp? And if so where is the sensor located?
 
BAT? Is that the intake temp? And if so where is the sensor located?

The IAT on the MS3 is actually integrated to the MAF located on the Intake before the Turbo.

We have a BAT/IAT2 sensor integrated with the MAP as well and its located on the TB. It's refered too as BAT with the DashHawk which is the tool that I datalog with.

Yesterday I setup my DH to check the IAT and BAT.

AAT = 60Deg
IAT = 84-93 (Give or take)
BAT = 95-105 (Give or Take)

This was on my way home which is commute traffic on the highway.
 
The IAT on the MS3 is actually integrated to the MAF located on the Intake before the Turbo.

We have a BAT/IAT2 sensor integrated with the MAP as well and its located on the TB. It's refered too as BAT with the DashHawk which is the tool that I datalog with.

Yesterday I setup my DH to check the IAT and BAT.

AAT = 60Deg
IAT = 84-93 (Give or take)
BAT = 95-105 (Give or Take)

This was on my way home which is commute traffic on the highway.


Damn, that's very convenient.
 
The BPV is a 5 minute swap. I would probably take it out if I was going to the dealership.
Definitely do it. When we took the CX7 in for warranty work, they had to okay the work due to the Forge BPV on the car. Didn't void the warranty, but the service manager said to take it off the next time so it didn't prolong the work.
 
The IAT on the MS3 is actually integrated to the MAF located on the Intake before the Turbo.

We have a BAT/IAT2 sensor integrated with the MAP as well and its located on the TB. It's refered too as BAT with the DashHawk which is the tool that I datalog with.

nope the MAP/IAT2 is actually on the back of the intake manifold not part of the throttle body (TB)
 
Yeah it will work fine. Will run better is recirc mode...but its expensive. Nice valve definitely, but expensive

Instead of asking to explain what this does and why it's like this, do you have any helpful articles I could read on this whole bpv and recirc options and all that?
 
Instead of asking to explain what this does and why it's like this, do you have any helpful articles I could read on this whole bpv and recirc options and all that?
From Wikipedia:
Definitions
A compressor bypass valve (CBV) also known as a compressor relief valve is a vacuum-actuated valve designed to release pressure in the intake system of a turbocharged or centrifugally supercharged car when the throttle is lifted or closed. This air pressure is re-circulated back into the non-pressurized end of the intake (before the turbo) but after the mass airflow sensor.

A blowoff valve, (BOV, sometimes hooter valve, dump valve) does basically the same thing, but releases the air to the atmosphere. This creates a very distinctive sound desired by many who own turbocharged sports cars. Some blowoff valves are sold with trumpet shaped exits that amplify the "psssshhh" sound, as not all bov's are the same, some make different noises and these designs are normally marketed towards the tuner crowd. For some owners this is the only reason to get a BOV. Motor sports governed by the FIA have made it illegal to vent unmuffled blowoff valves to the atmosphere. In the United States, Australia and Europe cars featuring unmuffled blowoff valves are illegal for street use.


Disadvantages
The unique sound caused by a blowoff valve (but not a compressor bypass valve) sometimes comes at a price. On a car where the blowoff valve is mounted after the mass airflow sensor, venting to atmosphere confuses the engine control unit (ECU) of the car. The ECU is told it has a specific amount of air in the intake system, and injects fuel accordingly. The amount of air released by the blowoff valve is not taken into consideration and the engine runs rich for a period of time. Engines with a manifold absolute pressure regulated ECU or where the blowoff is mounted upstream of the MAF sensor are not affected.

Typically this isn't a major issue, but sometimes it can lead to hesitation or stalling of the engine when the throttle is closed. This situation worsens with higher boost pressures. Eventually this can foul spark plugs and destroy the catalytic converter (when running rich, not all the fuel is burned which can heat up on and melt the converter or leave heavy carbon deposits).


Purpose
Blowoff valves are used to prevent compressor surge. Compressor surge is a phenomenon that occurs when lifting off the throttle of a turbocharged car (with a non-existent or faulty bypass valve). When the throttle plate on a turbocharged engine running boost closes, high pressure in the intake system has nowhere to go. It is forced to travel back to the turbocharger in the form of a pressure wave. This results in the wheel rapidly decreasing speed and stalling. The driver will notice a fluttering air sound.


Operation

throttle open, blowoff valve closed
throttle closed, blowoff valve openA blow-off-valve is connected by a vacuum hose to the intake manifold after the throttle plate. When the throttle is closed, manifold vacuum without pressure develops in the intake manifold after the throttle plate and "sucks" the blowoff valve open. The excess pressure from the turbocharger is vented into the atmosphere or recirculated into the intake upstream of the compressor inlet.


See also
Dump valve
Wastegate
 
Thanks for that post! So in our case would a BOV be bad or is it just much safer to run a recirc bpv to avoid issues. If anything I would like to replace my factory unit to prevent leaking. Of course I would never know its leaking until I get a boost gauge or have my turbo eventually fail.
 
Thanks for that post! So in our case would a BOV be bad or is it just much safer to run a recirc bpv to avoid issues. If anything I would like to replace my factory unit to prevent leaking. Of course I would never know its leaking until I get a boost gauge or have my turbo eventually fail.

Our ECU/sensor setup is tuned for recirculation...you can run VTA, but your engine will run like crap and might induce long term damage to cats and O2 sensors.

Its best to stick with recirculation, then when a tuning option comes out, tune for VTA...
 
Thanks for that post! So in our case would a BOV be bad or is it just much safer to run a recirc bpv to avoid issues. If anything I would like to replace my factory unit to prevent leaking. Of course I would never know its leaking until I get a boost gauge or have my turbo eventually fail.

I've always viewed running VTA on a MAF car not tuned to it akin to drinking alot of natural juice. Its not bad. Its just not good, either. Almost any BOV can be set up to run recirculation, and for the most part its about five seconds worth of work. If you want to try it, you could run VTA for a day or two, and if you don't like it, its as simple as plugging the recirc hose back in.
 
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