It's not people that are putting teens in that category, it's the statistics. And it's already been said that there are exceptions. Also were not talking about endangerment in general terms like you put it. We're specifically talking about teen drivers.
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It's not people that are putting teens in that category, it's the statistics. And it's already been said that there are exceptions. Also were not talking about endangerment in general terms like you put it. We're specifically talking about teen drivers.
lol, I appreciate your concern.
I suppose I could argue symantics. Having taken many years of Probability and Statistics and even occasionally teaching stats, I'm sure I could find loopholes and I'm sure we could interperet those results very differently. But, at the end of the day, nothing more would be accomplished.
So, no, I'm not denying those stats. Actually, if you review my posts I never once stated the contrary. But I will fight for LC all day long if I have to. I don't even know this kid. As far as I know, I've never met him, nor ever posted in the same thread as him. But I find it dumbfounding that generalizations can be deduced from these stats and people can say with 100% certainty that all 16 year olds shouldn't drive fast cars because they don't know what they're doing. That was the argument.
I will stand by my conviction that....
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Well to me the bottom line is. The kid sucked at driving, he would have probably done the same in a stock non turbo protege.
This kid was just an ass.
The debate weather or not kids should have fast cars or not will go on forever. there are responsible ones and then there are ones like this kid.
This kid was just an ass.
The debate weather or not kids should have fast cars or not will go on forever. there are responsible ones and then there are ones like this kid.
Statistics do not say all teen drivers are dangerous on the road, so don't say that, and then there are a Just few exceptions because that isn't true either.
Regardless if most of you all knew this teen driver this thread would have a different tune.
How is anyone to know who should and who shouldn't? Yeah a parent might have an idea about their kid's abilities but it's hard to tell without the kid actually getting in a car and driving . The fact is, the trend says they're more likely to get into an accident. So what's the prudent thing to do? Ignore the trend? Or embrace it?
You are correct and I could've stated my post better but the fact is they're more likely to get into accidents.
Yeah if I knew him I'd feel more pity, no doubt, but it wouldn't change my stance one bit.
What I took offense to is that I am be stereotyped as a stupid kid who is on drugs or drinks, and am going to hurt people when I drive. And you are doing that ONLY because
some other teenage kid, who did fall into that category, crashed an killed people. (obviously not talking about this incident)
This is all I was trying to say. The kid made a bad move. I fail to see how him driving a Mazda had anything to do with that.
For your information, I was with my dad driving home from San Fran. on the 5 freeway i was in the left lane travailing 75 when a big rig I was passing decided he was gonna change lanes into me. What would you do? Lock up the brakes or speed up to save your life. If you would have been so kind to read the part of that line that said I WAS AVOIDING BEING SIDE-SWIPED, maybe you could have seen what i meant. I in no way am saying that i was cruising at 110. It was a spike that quickly came back down to 75.
Could you please show me the fact on that site that shows, or displays of any link between the car the kids were driving, and the number of crashes?
Once again all I was trying to say.
Thanks to those on here who see I am not unreasonable in what I am saying And to those who continue to fight me, why don't you leave parenting YOUR OWN kids to yourself, and my parents parenting to THEM SELF.
And there inlies the real crux of the matter. If we ignore the trends, and they continue (whether or not they deviate by plus or minus 3% from year to year is irrelevant), then we have a status quo where kids are getting killed (and possibly taking out "innocent" people as well). If we embrace the trends teens will be penalized for a right that we have deemed acceptable for them at their age. Penalties include higher insurance rates (based on stats) and a general disregard for the individual teen because of the generalizations. The other main point is because of embracing the trends, teens have been stereotyped, when included in the same sentence as the words "car" and "driving".
The other thing to consider is what else happens when society embraces these trends? The stats go down. I'm sorry, but they will never hit 0%. As long as there are cars, people will die in them.
On the completely opposite side of the spectrum, if we ignore the trends, they will never hit 100%. As long as there are teenagers, there will be atleast one who is deemed "responsible" who does not become another statistic.
As far as which to choose? I don't think I am qualified to answer that. I also firmly believe that no one else on this planet is qualified either.
I have my opinions on it though. However I will refrain, because I know I will open a pandoras box of Darwinism and I'd rather not insult any of you in that manner.
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no, this kid was predictable and the parents still bought him the car. stupid *****, the victims should sue the parents.
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I haven't read all 6 pages but give me cliffs on how the topic went to 80s rock band poison
lol! sure... I made the statement:
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Another person asked for facts from that particular post (this quote was only a portion of that whole post). And so I brought up Poison as a fact that there were people from the 80's with pink hair. lol.
Why? Did the parents make the stupid decision to cross the double yellow? If he was stupid enough to do it in a Mazda, he would have done it in anything he was in. The fact he was in a Speed3 should have nothing to do with the accident.
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a 17 year old kid who drives like a madman and the parents buy him a 300hp car. the parents are just as wreckless as the kid.
lc, don't get so riled up... unfortunately, people need someone to blame. It makes it easier to deal with if someone pays for mistakes (whether they are their own mistakes or not). The kid is dead, so society can't call for justice against him. Society then turns their attention to the parents.
"Wait, what's that? His dad is a race car driver? Really? Well, the Parents must be held accountable then. His dad must be the one who taught him that. Break out the nousse boys, or perhaps some wood and a stake"
/sarcasm
I guess it makes it easier to sleep at night, under the false pretense that justice has been served and things like this won't happen to me and my family. NIMB!
"Wait, what's that? His dad is a race car driver? Really? Well, the Parents must be held accountable then. His dad must be the one who taught him that. Break out the nousse boys, or perhaps some wood and a stake"
/sarcasm
I guess it makes it easier to sleep at night, under the false pretense that justice has been served and things like this won't happen to me and my family. NIMB!
I believe if the parents thought ever for a split second that this tragity could happen then they should have NOT bought them a car period. My son will be buying his own car when he's old enough to drive. I remember how I used to drive my GT Mustangs when I was 16-17 years old. Like a typical teenager. And believe me, I purchased all of them WITHOUT my parents help, 'cuz if it was up to them I would have been catching the bus everywhere I went.
But do I blame the parents 100%? No, but they didn't prevent this from happening either. I think if they had a slower car they STILL would have tried crazy stuff with it.
I still pray for the family for their loss, because when it's all said and done, that was someone's children that loss their life because of a "mistake in judgement."
What are you saying then? If you don't have a stance why all the drama?
Personally I think it's better to embrace it and possibly save some lives. Teens being penalized, stereotyped or having to pay higher insurance seems like an acceptable outcome given the big picture.
MS3 is NOT a 300hp car.
I don't mean to get riled up but i don't like being categorized. And I do NOT believe that my parents are "IDIOTS" for buying me a affordable sports compact car. Its not a Porsche we are talking about, it is a small sporty Mazda, and to say that I should NOT have a car like this is irritating and ignorant.
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Yeah, the statistics say that drivers between 15-20 are more likely to be involved in a fatal crash, but nowhere does it say that the caliber of the car has anything to do with it. The only reason it would be irresponsible for a parent to buy a 1st time driver a brand new/expensive/fast car is that chances are that it'll end up totaled because of inexperience.
I've said it before and I'll say it again the car has nothing to do with it. If you're going to do something stupid in a speed3 you're gonna do it in a P.O.S '85 or '91 civic. This kid went into oncoming traffic to pass another car car, the car has nothing to do with it.
Just for the record, my 1st car was a '95 Geo Prism.
A mistake by the teen not the car.
You are correct, but the MS3 is NOT an EXPENSIVE car. It is quite affordable for most kids.
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