knowledge007
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If you had done your proper homework before posting this ridiculous post, you might have noticed that this is happening to people with the stock exhuast. So sorry buddy but you have no clue what your talking about.
Calling all MS3 Owners with smoking Turbos...
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If you had done your proper homework before posting this ridiculous post, you might have noticed that this is happening to people with the stock exhuast. So sorry buddy but you have no clue what your talking about.
The seals arent actually bad. I installed a turbo back (catless) set up and the next day at a McD's drivethru, my car started smoking SOOO bad! It would be fine while driving but if I idled for a minute or so, the smoke would completely cover anything around with heavy white smoke. Dealer wouldnt touch it so Jordan at CP-e talked to me about a kick ass company that could rebuild, port/polish the housing, install much better compressor wheels and a much higher waste-gate. I called the company (modern performance inc.) and he said he had worked on many speed3 turbo's and not a single one had bad seals in them. They are just floating seals and leak very small drops of oil. When everyone puts the cats back on, it doesnt actually FIX the smoke problem...the cat actually works as a chamber that burns off the smoke. The problem is still there, you just dont see it once the smoke vaporizes. Anywho...The service was the best experiance ive had so far with any of my mods, the turn around was only 10 days from shipping to getting it back to my door and the price was about 1/3 of a new turbo kit. If you have any questions, Please dont hesitate to email or PM me. I dont work for these guys or have any affiliation with any sponsor or vendor. I am just one of the fortunate ones to be lucky enough to discover this fix. OH, once the turbo gets back, you will be efficient up to over 400hp with the turbo...the rest is up to you.
Jay
if you read my post you would notice that im having the same exact issue with my stock exhaust, its not a rediculous post you jack ass! i just didnt read every single reply so i wasnt aware of the blue oil smelling smoke issue. and i even apologized for it. quit being so negative torwards people you dont even know!! i do indeed know what the hell im talking about(monkey)
knowledge007
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Really, I am the jackass... And negative wtf are you smoking? Thanks for letting us know how immature you really are with the name calling bulls***. But if you are going to post something specific, why don't you be a little bit more specific. Like quoting the post you are replying to. Jackass, therefore a ridiculous post.
(fu) Back at you kid...
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Powerslave
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come on now kids time for a group hug....lol (group)
knowledge007
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That smily face is funny though...
This whole thing is making me nervous now. The past couple of days about 2 hours after getting to work, I go out to my car and warm it up. After about 2 min, it starts smoking pretty heavily, but not blue smoke. It's greyish and it progressively gets thicker and thicher as the car warms up. Probably condensation, but it doesn 't do it when I go warm it up at the end of the day when I get ready to go home. Maybe it's just condensation developing in the exhaust because of the colder morning temps (34 deg) and doesn't do it in the afternoon because of the warmer temps (50 deg)?
I actually want it to smoke so i can get a new turbo before installing the PG manifold.(thumb)
I actually want it to smoke so i can get a new turbo before installing the PG manifold.(thumb)
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knowledge007
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When my turbo was swapped, I had just received my CP-E Standback. I was pretty happy. I'll pray for ya...lmao
AutoXRacer
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Why not ask if the dealer will install it...? That way if the turbo does go bad, they did the work and have to cover it. Remember, they have to prove to you that the mod is the cause for the damaged seals/turbo. Also, when you install the manifold, are you also installing a free-flowing exhaust or are you keeping the stock system? If you are keeping the stock, I would assume that if you are not smoking now, you won't be smoking after the manifold...
Just my 0.02 cents...
Thanks brother...
Will they actually install an aftermarket part?
I have the MS CBE right now and am thinking about getting the CS DP or the CP-e DP w/High Flow cat. At that point, I will be at the point of no return on my warranty. At least with just the PG manifold, I can re-install the stock manifold for major service? Or am I just blowing smoke up my ass?(smoke)(moon)
cmescoot;
I find it intriguing that these turbos have a floating seal. I'm new to turbo'd cars (so I'm learning) and I have a hard time imagining just what a floating seal would look like - I mean it makes sense alright; turbos turn out some outrageous rpm's while operating so maybe a floating seal is the way to go.
If Mazda figured that there would be a small amount of oil get into exhaust system, why didn't they just spec a higher weight oil to keep the seepage to a minumum? Mobil 1 15w-50 would probably leak less than the spec'd 5w30, and Mazda could direct those living in areas of extreme cold to use a thinner oil during cooler weather. Here in Houston, 15w50 synthetic could be a viable option because during the summer I guarantee you the engine is going to get plenty hot enough to thin the oil!
Having said all that, the idea of oil getting to the catalytic converters really isn't all that new a terrain for Mazda as their rotary engines comsume oil the whole time they are running and the cats in that application are gobbling up all that smoke and surviving. I found out about this from friend who has an RX8; he tells me it has a tank he has to keep filled because the engine uses it to lubricate the apex seals. I'm sure it winds up in the exhaust system somehow.
Maybe the converters on the MS3 are able to digest and convert the oil with no ill effects - many pre '07 diesel pickups have cats on them and you know they're catching some serious action as far burning combustion debris is concerned; maybe Mazda is using something along those lines.
I guess I'm thinking out loud here - are we worrying about something we don't need to?
In one of these posts, there is mention of some significant oil comsumption in between oil changes and that person may have a defective seal in the turbo (or something worse); but my unmodded '08 is coming up on 10k miles now and appears to consume no oil and doesn't soot the tail pipe that bad. I clean it everytime I buy gas, just checking it out and the soot is there but nothing to worry with.
Maybe the folks at Modern Performance have hit the nail on the head - there will be some oil seepage, Mazda designed it that way and have an emissions system designed to deal with it. Like I said, just thinking out loud...
I find it intriguing that these turbos have a floating seal. I'm new to turbo'd cars (so I'm learning) and I have a hard time imagining just what a floating seal would look like - I mean it makes sense alright; turbos turn out some outrageous rpm's while operating so maybe a floating seal is the way to go.
If Mazda figured that there would be a small amount of oil get into exhaust system, why didn't they just spec a higher weight oil to keep the seepage to a minumum? Mobil 1 15w-50 would probably leak less than the spec'd 5w30, and Mazda could direct those living in areas of extreme cold to use a thinner oil during cooler weather. Here in Houston, 15w50 synthetic could be a viable option because during the summer I guarantee you the engine is going to get plenty hot enough to thin the oil!
Having said all that, the idea of oil getting to the catalytic converters really isn't all that new a terrain for Mazda as their rotary engines comsume oil the whole time they are running and the cats in that application are gobbling up all that smoke and surviving. I found out about this from friend who has an RX8; he tells me it has a tank he has to keep filled because the engine uses it to lubricate the apex seals. I'm sure it winds up in the exhaust system somehow.
Maybe the converters on the MS3 are able to digest and convert the oil with no ill effects - many pre '07 diesel pickups have cats on them and you know they're catching some serious action as far burning combustion debris is concerned; maybe Mazda is using something along those lines.
I guess I'm thinking out loud here - are we worrying about something we don't need to?
In one of these posts, there is mention of some significant oil comsumption in between oil changes and that person may have a defective seal in the turbo (or something worse); but my unmodded '08 is coming up on 10k miles now and appears to consume no oil and doesn't soot the tail pipe that bad. I clean it everytime I buy gas, just checking it out and the soot is there but nothing to worry with.
Maybe the folks at Modern Performance have hit the nail on the head - there will be some oil seepage, Mazda designed it that way and have an emissions system designed to deal with it. Like I said, just thinking out loud...
AutoXRacer
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The dealer will install aftermarket parts...
You definitely can reinstall the stock manifold...though I just installed my CP-E catted DP and it took me 9 hours (including lunch break, setup, clean up, etc). I'm kind of slow when working on cars; I tend to be picky about how I do things. So as long as you are willing to spend a whole day going back to stock, I guess you can...
How much longer do you have on your warranty?
I bought the extended warranty, so like 61K miles left..
AutoXRacer
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Bummer...
Let me see if i've got this straight (assuming that my eyes are not bleeding from all this reading)...
1st - 07's and 08's have this problem, although it seems random.
2nd - Even people with MS aftermaket exhaust have this problem (which is covered under Mazda warranty and does not void ANY part of your warranty)
3rd - Some people have luck getting this fixed and some get ****** over
Okay, please correct any of this, i hope that i got the point of this 9+ page thread.
And i have a question. If i were to purchase a MS exhaust (3") and it started smoking, they would have to fix it, right? However, people who have non-MS 3" exhaust are told to hit the road?
Just guaging whether or not i even want to go down this road right now. I am definitely buying the CS downpipe and the PG mani for my 08 (production date uncertain at this point), but i am not so sure whether or not to go with the CS TBE that i had originally planned on.
Thanks.
1st - 07's and 08's have this problem, although it seems random.
2nd - Even people with MS aftermaket exhaust have this problem (which is covered under Mazda warranty and does not void ANY part of your warranty)
3rd - Some people have luck getting this fixed and some get ****** over
Okay, please correct any of this, i hope that i got the point of this 9+ page thread.
And i have a question. If i were to purchase a MS exhaust (3") and it started smoking, they would have to fix it, right? However, people who have non-MS 3" exhaust are told to hit the road?
Just guaging whether or not i even want to go down this road right now. I am definitely buying the CS downpipe and the PG mani for my 08 (production date uncertain at this point), but i am not so sure whether or not to go with the CS TBE that i had originally planned on.
Thanks.
2006-2007 Mazdaspeed 6's also. The down pipe is more the restriction that when removed seems to set off all the smoke shows not just a cat back exhaust. The high temp of the cat does a good job burning off any smoke that may be forming. I think that is why the exhaust is so sooty.
