Calling all MS3 Owners with smoking Turbos...

[voiceKoil]

Actually, it's a comparisson of cost of lawsuits vs cost to fix; whichever is cheapest. I probably beat Knowledge to the gun on this one....

Well there are a ton of variables involved, either way what Im trying to say is it just comes down to how much money they can keep in their pocket, honestly when I bought the "all weather" floor mats, threw them in and then almost hit some s***/ reved the crap out of my engine I was ready to go and shoot the person that told me they would work with the speed3, so even that could be a variable lol.

Ive seen parts recalled that were not life threatening, but the majority of them are and thats why they get recalled, if it wasnt life threatening then it was them just feeling bad (jerkit) probably not though.


And Ive had it smoke worse than that, actuall after I sat there a few more minutes and left is when I should have taken the video, it was disgusting how much smoke was coming out.



We should compile a solid list though.(alright)

 

[voiceKoil]

Blue and thick black smoke on a few occassions / stock exhaust / "cannot duplicate problem"

1. Voickoil- Heavy Blue smoke / stock exhuast / not yet

2. Absolutamente - Blue and thick black smoke on a few occassions / stock exhaust / "cannot duplicate problem"

 

[voiceKoil]

Your car sounds like s***! Is that how the engine really sounds at idle?

Thanks for the awesome video though! Sorry you are having so many problems with your MS3...(pissed)

lol Yeh my car sounds like dog balls once and a while, HEY maybe my heads #ucked and the valves are what causing the smoke lol, it basically sounds the same as when I first got it, I remember a lot of chatter back then, and I had many people ask me about it.(breakn)

I wish the camera picked up the color and thickness better though, I hate my camera that I have right now, vids and night pictures suck..

 

[shockdoctor]

Your car sounds like s***! Is that how the engine really sounds at idle?

That thing puts out more s*** than mine does when it is -15 degrees (fahrenheit). Wow, you have had your issues with your car. Dude, I couldn't be sorrier for your troubles. Good luck my friend.

 

[Sierra117]

If you go back to stock exhaust and the problem disappears then would that prove that there is something wrong with the turbo seal therefore they need to replace your turbo

Negative Ghostrider. Because as soon as you put your stock exhaust back on and the smoke goes away, the requirement to proove that it was your new exhaust that caused the problem has been filled. The onus is on them to proove that what you did caused the problem. Stock exhaust goes back on, smoke goes away, issue solved.

....or.....would they basically tell you when u go back to stock and u show up at the dealership with no mroe smoke.."what smoke? i dont see smoke. Your car is ok we dont need to replace your turbo"

Disco.

Basically as far as warenty claims go, they have to proove that the modification you made is the cause of the problem. Stock exhaust=no smoke, aftermarket exhaust=smoke, therefore what you did caused the problem.

Now, here's the kicker: people with stockers are getting smoke. What this prooves is that the problem does not lay in the exhaust system itself, but somewhere else. As we have seen, it is in the turbocharger having a bad batch of seals go out. What we need from the members on here is a few things:

1. We need copies of documentation that stock exhaust units have been smoking
2. We need copies of documentation that show stock turbochargers have been replaced due to faulty seals
3. Most importantly (at least in my eyes) is we need documentation that stock turbochargers have been replaced, on warenty, with aftermarket exhaust systems. As far as I am concerned, this would establish presidence for the work. Of course, it all depends on the judge, but thats another story.

 

[Kosh]

Negative Ghostrider. Because as soon as you put your stock exhaust back on and the smoke goes away, the requirement to proove that it was your new exhaust that caused the problem has been filled. The onus is on them to proove that what you did caused the problem. Stock exhaust goes back on, smoke goes away, issue solved.



Disco.

Basically as far as warenty claims go, they have to proove that the modification you made is the cause of the problem. Stock exhaust=no smoke, aftermarket exhaust=smoke, therefore what you did caused the problem.

Now, here's the kicker: people with stockers are getting smoke. What this prooves is that the problem does not lay in the exhaust system itself, but somewhere else. As we have seen, it is in the turbocharger having a bad batch of seals go out. What we need from the members on here is a few things:

1. We need copies of documentation that stock exhaust units have been smoking
2. We need copies of documentation that show stock turbochargers have been replaced due to faulty seals
3. Most importantly (at least in my eyes) is we need documentation that stock turbochargers have been replaced, on warenty, with aftermarket exhaust systems. As far as I am concerned, this would establish presidence for the work. Of course, it all depends on the judge, but thats another story.

We don't need any documentation to see that people are having problems with stock turbo seals leaking. All the stock exhausts are doing is hiding the problem by cleaning out the smoke in the cat. Just because you don't see smoke anymore doesn't mean the problem is solved. You can fix the smoke by sticking a potato in the tail pipe. No smoke = no problem?

 

[Sierra117]

We don't need any documentation to see that people are having problems with stock turbo seals leaking. All the stock exhausts are doing is hiding the problem by cleaning out the smoke in the cat.

Look at it this way.

You are a Service Advisor. I come to you with a car with an aftermarket exhaust pouring out smoke. You tell me to put the stock exhaust back on. I do so, the smoke goes away.

Now I say, but the cats are just hiding it, and a bunch of people on the internet say there is a problem.

Thats when you, as a Service Advisor, tell me that there is no TSB and no Recall. I had an aftermarket modification to the exhaust, and upon replacing it to stock, the smoking went away. Therefore, it was my modification that caused the problem, and not the car.

OR

I pull out documentation (and I am that asshole who carries that s*** with me everywhere) to show that a number of Speed3s have had the smoke issue on the stock exhausts, and that the problem lays in the turbo seal. I have documentation that shows the fix is a turbo replacement. And before they say that I have an aftermarket exhaust so sorry 'bout your bad luck chief, I pull out the documentation that dealerships have been fixing the seal on cars with aftermarket exhausts. They now have no ground to not replace the seal under warenty.

Just because you don't see smoke anymore doesn't mean the problem is solved. You can fix the smoke by sticking a potato in the tail pipe. No smoke = no problem?

I'm not gonna waste time on this one.

I'm not in anyway saying there isn't a problem. I can pretty much say that short of turbos shreading and sending chunks of metal through the engine bay at rather high velocities, there will not be a recall on it. However, you can damned well expect that showing up at a dealership with a faulty seal and smoke pouring out the back of your car with an aftermarket exhaust, your solution is going to be put the stock exhaust back on. When you put it on and they don't duplicate the problem, the dealership is done. And telling your SA that "a bunch of people on a website have had this problem" isn't going to work.

This is why we need actual documentation available on this site and "the dreaded other site of d00m and despair" so that if you do have this problem with the faulty turbo seal, you can have something in your pocket when the dealership gives you push back.

 

[Kosh]

So then you take it to another dealer that isn't a slimy bastard and have them fix it.

 

[AutoXRacer]

Look at it this way.

You are a Service Advisor. I come to you with a car with an aftermarket exhaust pouring out smoke. You tell me to put the stock exhaust back on. I do so, the smoke goes away.

Now I say, but the cats are just hiding it, and a bunch of people on the internet say there is a problem.

Thats when you, as a Service Advisor, tell me that there is no TSB and no Recall. I had an aftermarket modification to the exhaust, and upon replacing it to stock, the smoking went away. Therefore, it was my modification that caused the problem, and not the car.

OR

I pull out documentation (and I am that asshole who carries that s*** with me everywhere) to show that a number of Speed3s have had the smoke issue on the stock exhausts, and that the problem lays in the turbo seal. I have documentation that shows the fix is a turbo replacement. And before they say that I have an aftermarket exhaust so sorry 'bout your bad luck chief, I pull out the documentation that dealerships have been fixing the seal on cars with aftermarket exhausts. They now have no ground to not replace the seal under warenty.



I'm not gonna waste time on this one.

I'm not in anyway saying there isn't a problem. I can pretty much say that short of turbos shreading and sending chunks of metal through the engine bay at rather high velocities, there will not be a recall on it. However, you can damned well expect that showing up at a dealership with a faulty seal and smoke pouring out the back of your car with an aftermarket exhaust, your solution is going to be put the stock exhaust back on. When you put it on and they don't duplicate the problem, the dealership is done. And telling your SA that "a bunch of people on a website have had this problem" isn't going to work.

This is why we need actual documentation available on this site and "the dreaded other site of d00m and despair" so that if you do have this problem with the faulty turbo seal, you can have something in your pocket when the dealership gives you push back.

(iagree)

So then you take it to another dealer that isn't a slimy bastard and have them fix it.

Some people only have one Mazda dealership in their area... I am lucky with 3 dealers that are in 45 mins radius, though I only trust one to do the job right...

 

[Speedy3]

I created a tracking spreadsheet. Look at the headings of my spreadsheet then PM me the details about you smoking issue and I'll populate the spreadsheet. After we get it started, i'll start a thread with the spreadsheet in the first post and keep it updated.

Here are the headings for you to put in the PM:

User
Year
Production Date
Miles
Ambient Temp Smoking
Smoke Intensity
Smoke Color
Smoke Dependencies
Startup / Shutdown Habbits
Drive Habbits
Oil Type
Down Pipe
Mid Pipe
CBE
TBE
Gutted CAT?
Boost PSI
IC
Intake
Inlet
BPV
Fuel Pump
Comments

 

[AutoXRacer]

(deadhorse Good luck with that... I wanted to try something like this...but didn't get much response from those affected...

I hope it works!!! (2thumbs)

 

[blacksheepms3]

I have Corksport dp awaiting install this spring. I will definitely contribute to the database...smoking or not. I have 21,000 mi. so I need to install it before the 30,000 or else bye bye warranty definitely.

 

[Speedy3]

(deadhorse Good luck with that... I wanted to try something like this...but didn't get much response from those affected...

I hope it works!!! (2thumbs)

Haltec was the first to respond! This will work! Just PM me the details in my post above and I'll build it.

 

[voiceKoil]

Sounds good, Ill Pm after this post....

I went to my stealership today to find that most the people that were trying to Con ME got Canned lol, I was very pleased, I was talking to a sales buddy and he said their under new ownershipj and a lot of the managers were fired, so maybe I will have a more pleasant experience when I go there now. Today was nice for once.

Ill start with this, I was asked several times if I have any aftermarket parts besides my wheels, I said the intake and I previously had a bov on it, which was already recorded in my vehicle history, then she asked about why it sayes I have an aftermarket wastegate, I explained that there is no way I have that on my car because I would need a whole new turbo for that, it was just put in because they though my BOV was that, and after they put stuff in the record they cant take it out? Anyways

I then was promptly told that there is a "Test" they can perform on the car to see if the seals are bad, but the car has to be cold, like sit all night cold I guess. So I was promptly ordered a rental car, I asked kindly please no Kias this time, I now have a G6, which is actually pretty nice.

SO, I spent less than a half hour at my dealership today, which is the shortest time I have ever been there. They seem to "Know" that these cars are having an issue with this and seem to know how to tell if somethings wrong.

NOW the waiting begins, if they come up empty handed after their "Test" then Ill be pissed. Has anyone heard of the test? Do they just check the dipstick when the motors cold and see if its low on oil lol??? Because it is, Id say almost a quart, so I guess Ill know tomorrow what they find or dont find, and Im going to ask what exactly the Test involves...

 

[Sierra117]

Good luck out there. I had a G6 rental from Enterprise once. It wasn't my BMW at the time, but honestly, it could have been light years worse.

Anyways, I just clicked submit on an order for the Corksport exhaust from Protege Garage. Here's to hoping I don't have this problem!

 

[Speedy3]

Data log on this thread:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123694449

 

[voiceKoil]

So today I called my dealer to see if they found anything yet. I was told they just pulled the car in and were going to start the test, I kept my comments to myself, but yesterday I was told the car needed to sit all night to be cold, now their turning the car on and pullin it in the bay to test it "cold", didnt make too much sense to me... I hope its not another bull$hit Mazda scam that gives the illusion that they are actually doing something, like other things I have asked about.

 

[voiceKoil]

Good luck out there. I had a G6 rental from Enterprise once. It wasn't my BMW at the time, but honestly, it could have been light years worse.

Anyways, I just clicked submit on an order for the Corksport exhaust from Protege Garage. Here's to hoping I don't have this problem!

Yeh hope you dont, but honestly if you do and then put the stock exhaust back on, if the turbo is the problem then it will eventually show with the stock exhaust too.

Nice Choice though, for the price and what you get I think its the best deal, its what I would have got. (wiggle)

 

[voiceKoil]

Well I talked to my dealer and it looks like this is the end of the line for me. They fixed my swirl valve but since I am taking legal action against Mazda, Mazda Corp told my dealer they are not allowed to do any work to my car. So that means no test and nothing else can be done to my car, BUT I think this will be a positive point in my lemon process.

 

[Haltech]

Well I talked to my dealer and it looks like this is the end of the line for me. They fixed my swirl valve but since I am taking legal action against Mazda, Mazda Corp told my dealer they are not allowed to do any work to my car. So that means no test and nothing else can be done to my car, BUT I think this will be a positive point in my lemon process.

Are you trying to lemon law it?