looks like a MS3 FMIC soon to come

[p5sundevil]

as has been stated many times, heat soak with teh tmic only occurs with high boost/high hp applications as our top mount handles the stock and mildly modded setups just fine. the water hitting an intercooler cant cause hydrolock, thats what happens when your air intake sucks in water and it gets In the engine.

water hitting the IC is actually good in some cases, look at the home built intercooler sprayers out there, what do you think they are doing but spraying water infront of the IC. yah its usually a fine mist but it still hits the IC.

The Only thing I would worry about is rust and Im sure the TMIC material has been treated for that.

I repeat you dont "suck up" water through your IC, just your airfilter/intake.

 

[laloosh]

as has been stated many times, heat soak with teh tmic only occurs with high boost/high hp applications as our top mount handles the stock and mildly modded setups just fine. the water hitting an intercooler cant cause hydrolock, thats what happens when your air intake sucks in water and it gets In the engine.

water hitting the IC is actually good in some cases, look at the home built intercooler sprayers out there, what do you think they are doing but spraying water infront of the IC. yah its usually a fine mist but it still hits the IC.

The Only thing I would worry about is rust and Im sure the TMIC material has been treated for that.

I repeat you dont "suck up" water through your IC, just your airfilter/intake.

being that the air filter is now where the ic use to be....it gets wet just like the ic use to...the filter now sucks up water. Thats the whole point people are trying to make.

 

[chacon101]

I think it looks great but if you live in a place like Florida where it pours, this setup isn't a good idea.

I personally don't think it's ok to use that top mounted air filter anywhere..no?

 

[Dr. D]

i have the FMIC and i wouldn't trade it for anyother intercooler out there. piping is high quality as well as the whole system. they say on their website you can expect 30 hp and 40 tg and all i gotta say is that they are spot-on.

 

[Dr. D]

I think it looks great but if you live in a place like Florida where it pours, this setup isn't a good idea.

I personally don't think it's ok to use that top mounted air filter anywhere..no?

no problem with rain. i live near west palm and it pours here and no problems

 

[subparpunk03]

hydrolock occurs when the filter is essentially IMMERSED in water and the intake can't suck up air.

I don't think the ram air system would suck up enough water to cause hydrolock, you might pull a little water through the filter... but what do you think a water injection system does? At worst this might screw up your MAF.

 

[Dr. D]

well put. i don't think it should have any effect on the maf though...?

 

[desperado-c]

hydrolock occurs when the filter is essentially IMMERSED in water and the intake can't suck up air.

I don't think the ram air system would suck up enough water to cause hydrolock, you might pull a little water through the filter... but what do you think a water injection system does? At worst this might screw up your MAF.

At last, a rational response. Seems like you might have to change your filter more often, but the fear of hydrolock borders on hysteria.

I take it most of the claimed power increase comes from the freer-flowing intake?

 

[Sierra117]

We have 82% humidity right now...will this cause hydrolock?

 

[chacon101]

You guys been to Florida for longer than spring break and during the rainy season?

I can only speak for myself but the rain is insane here sometimes. In a matter of minutes, it can rain so much that a car get stuck in the water where it pools. I have seen it many times and I have lived here in Tampa three and a half years.

Sure, there are a lot of people that are afriad of hydrolock and maybe unnecessarily so but still, if it's an engine killer, it's worthy of some concern. Just because you might not live in a place that rains alot doesn't mean it's not a real problem or a myth.

I have seen people post on here talking about how it's a myth...uhm, right. My brother works at the dealership for Mazda in Philly and he said that three people had brought in their cars with hydrolock...and it was recent.

I went ahead and got the MS CAI anyways but the simple truth is you just have to try and be careful and not nail large/deep puddles. If the air filter is placed on top of the engine and there is a nice tunnel going to that filter at the front of the car with no shield, it's easy for anyone to be weary of getting hydrolock.

Thanks for the info doc.

 

[Sierra117]

I used to live in Florida over the summers at the Flora/Bama line. With the violence of rain (that I have expierienced) you speak of, usually hydrolock is the least of your worries with the car.

 

[Dr. D]

so more pics

 

[bacarl]

as has been stated many times, heat soak with the tmic only occurs with high boost/high hp applications as our top mount handles the stock and mildly modded setups just fine...

The Only thing I would worry about is rust and Im sure the TMIC material has been treated for that.

Heat soak can (and will) be a problem for any car when the car is stationary or moving slowly, hence no cool air flow is reaching the IC fins through our hood ducting. That's why it's called heat soak: as the engine components sit there soaking in the hot, without any cool air coming into the engine bay, their temps rise, and so does the temp of the air passing through them. Anyone with a TMIC (or even a short flow intake on a non-turbo/non-intercooled car) who's been stuck in traffic on a hot day can probably attest to the fact that their car feels like a dog -- I know I can. That's because the IC is soaked with heat, not doing its job, and the engine is seeing a hot charge. A bigger TMIC core or CAI can only have limited effects on this. A good way is to locate the IC away from most heat sources, out in front of the vehicle. Even when there's no cool air moving over the fins (in traffic, or revved up waiting for the hole shot), the air charge stays cooler.

As for the ICs rusting: that's why they're made out of aluminum...

I'm sure most people know all this, and p5 you have obviously been around this board longer than I have, but it seems that people don't understand how heatsoak can affect a TMIC-equipped vehicle. If anyone knows better than I, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also I posted this in a related thread before I found this one: I don't believe ram-air is necessary or useful for boosted applications. (right?) Granted the Corksport set-up will intake cold air when the car is moving, but it will allow the filter to get wet too (yes water can damage/ruin/eff-up your MAFs). I don't immediately see any advantages to this set-up over a normal SF intake + FMIC combo. Not to mention, with the latter your filter will stay dry.

 

[desperado-c]

You guys been to Florida for longer than spring break and during the rainy season?
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Sure, there are a lot of people that are afriad of hydrolock and maybe unnecessarily so but still, if it's an engine killer, it's worthy of some concern. Just because you might not live in a place that rains alot doesn't mean it's not a real problem or a myth.
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If the air filter is placed on top of the engine and there is a nice tunnel going to that filter at the front of the car with no shield, it's easy for anyone to be weary of getting hydrolock.

Thanks for the info doc.

Other places besides FL have been known to get heavy rains and flash floods. In fact, I'm reminded of this ad nauseum every time I have to get rid of a ticket by taking the driver's safety course.

Fear of hydrolock is rational . . . when you have a low hanging intake and several inches of water. But, fear of the hypothetical possibility of rain water going UPHILL through the ducts in a volume and at a rate sufficient to: 1) saturate the filter, and 2) FILL the bottom of the airbox with enough water to cause hydrolock, that's hysteria.

Corksport followed through on a cool concept. Anyone interested in this setup, no matter how wary or weary of hydrolock they happen to be, should be able to easily dispatch that fear.

That said, it's noteworthy that Mazda puts a deflector in front of the air inlet on the stock box. So, it seems likely that any substantial amount of rainwater being sucked directly into the airbox may be less than optimal. Maybe for the reasons Bacarl suggests about it possibly screwing up the MAF. There's also the question of whether it's in the long term interest of the engine to use a free-flowing filter like the K&N drop-in. But these are just concerns, not deal breakers like hydrolock.

 

[bacarl]

Other places besides FL have been known to get heavy rains and flash floods. In fact, I'm reminded of this ad nauseum every time I have to get rid of a ticket by taking the driver's safety course.

Good grief man, how many times have you been thru the course?

Corksport followed through on a cool concept. Anyone interested in this setup, no matter how wary or weary of hydrolock they happen to be, should be able to easily dispatch their fear.

(lol2)

 

[Hirudin]

...
Also I posted this in a related thread before I found this one:
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I'm no turbo car expert (only driven turbos for 4-5 months...) but isn't ram-air completely unnecessary in boosted applications??

I'm pretty sure this'd be a waste on money. Unless the goal was to get colder air without a fender-located filter. But you'd still have the heat soak issues of a short-ram/short-flow intake. Then again those should be negated by the FMIC cooling the charge.

I don't see any advantages of this over a normal SF intake and FMIC combo. But props to CS for utilizing the factory ducting for something productive

Seems to make sense that if the air going into the compressor is slightly compressed already the air will have higher compression after...

 

[desperado-c]

Good grief man, how many times have you been thru the course?

I know, you think I'd learn the 1st/2nd/3rd time, but I expect I'll be taking these courses until the day I'm limited to rolling around the nursing home in my wheel chair.

 

[Mocoso]

So how much does all this extra tubing and intercooler weight?

 

[subparpunk03]

CS claims the ram air system can add a few pounds of boost

"The kit has undergone extensive testing in the shop and on the street You can expect the following from installing the kit,



* Peak power gains of around 30 horsepower and 40 ft-lbs of torque.
* Intake boost increases 1-4 psi over the operating range of the turbocharger compared to stock.
* AFR is safe to support the increase in boost from the more efficient intercooler."

Beleive what you want to beleive. Corksport has been around a while and specializes in mazdas... and they thoroughly test their products. They are a reputable company.

I was originally going to wait for the cobb FMIC and turbo back, but the more I read about this corksport stuff, they seem like they REALLY know what they are doing.

Maybe the TMAIF (Thats top mount air filter for those of you acronymically challenged) isn't right for all situations, i.e. during a monsoon or when driving through a lake. I won't argue there.

But damn this thing looks like a great idea. I want one.

 

[speed3shon]

dude, kurt why arent you online?!