MS3 - Rear wing effectiveness

[ZooMIN3]

The wing looks sexy. If you all don't want yours, take it off and send it to me, I'll double, or triple stack that s*** fo sho! lol

Seriously, if it helps with stability then sweet, I guess the potential is there if I decide to ever go 50 over the posted 70mph speed limit sign. But I like to keep my license for a little bit longer, and I don't feel like causing a wreck if for some dumb reason the ass end of my car decides to do the electric slide becuase of high speeds..... For now, like I mentioned, its noyce...

-J

 

[TurboWagon]

I would guess that it does have some effect on reducing wind noise. Whenever I go upwards or 75 mph or so, the only noise really coming from the car is that from the wheels and slightly from the wind passing over and around the car.

Also, I would agree that the wing does add a nice feature to distinguish the MS3 from the stock 5-door. It isn't gaudy like other wings but yet, for those who know what to look for, I believe it makes an impression, although subtle but effective.

If I would take a stab at how the wing is effective, I would guess that maybe it keeps the rear of the car from collecting less dirt. My GTI used to gather dirt and dust on the rear hatch religiously. Yet, this could also be a function of the design of the car rather than the wing placement.

Unless someone has the time and a wind tunnel to test an MS3 both with and without a wing, I believe all we can do is guess. So maybe we should refrain from pointless finger pointing and immature "he-said-she-said" and post opinions.

 

[Sierra117]

If I would take a stab at how the wing is effective, I would guess that maybe it keeps the rear of the car from collecting less dirt. My GTI used to gather dirt and dust on the rear hatch religiously. Yet, this could also be a function of the design of the car rather than the win placement.

While it may simply be because I have a black car, based on how much I've had to clean off the hatch of my Speed3...I'm gonna have to say no to this, lol.

 

[mazdaspeed32007]

While it may simply be because I have a black car, based on how much I've had to clean off the hatch of my Speed3...I'm gonna have to say no to this, lol.

a manufacturer put a spoiler on a car to reduce dirt collection on the rear of the car....do people think before they type s***. (screwy)

 

[Ryz]

Same can be said about you... However... Dude..

1. How many Times have you been published in a Magazine..
2. How many times has your car been in a Newspaper.
3. How many times was your car Showoff of the week.

Exactly.. Nice that you don't like it..

With the three above points, I'm very confident that statistically, you are in a minority..

BTW.. The answer Key for MP5T is...
1 - 4 Times
2 - 2 Times
3 - 1 Times (Voted for out of 1.5 Million Cars)

What three points? I personally don't give a crap about being in a paper, magazine, etc. for bolting parts on my car, any mechanic can easily accomplish this. I've been noted in other publications (PC World, PC Magazine, Infoworld and a few others) for things that actually mean something. The computer your using to post this info probably has several of the items I've been involved with incorporated into its design. Winning a voting situation by going to every forum you can find and begging isn't all that impressive either.

 

[Brian MP5T]

What three points? I personally don't give a crap about being in a paper, magazine, etc. for bolting parts on my car, any mechanic can easily accomplish this. I've been noted in other publications (PC World, PC Magazine, Infoworld and a few others) for things that actually mean something. The computer your using to post this info probably has several of the items I've been involved with incorporated into its design. Winning a voting situation by going to every forum you can find and begging isn't all that impressive either.

You Remind Me Of Gay.

 

[dkswim]

this thread has gotten soo stupid but fro some reason i cant stop from looking, its like one of those big accidents that you cant help but stare at.

 

[fourthmeal]

Thread Train Wreck

See previous post...lol.

 

[Sierra117]

this thread has gotten soo stupid but fro some reason i cant stop from looking, its like one of those big accidents that you cant help but stare at.

Its like a donkey show. Its horrible and wrong and nasty and evil and yet all so intriguing.

 

[TurboWagon]

a manufacturer put a spoiler on a car to reduce dirt collection on the rear of the car....do people think before they type s***. (screwy)

Not specifically TO reduce the amount of dirt but maybe it has some effect.

Hell, its just a wild guess and from reading all of these other posts, at least some of us are staying on topic. Besides, nothing ANYONE has posted has been proved so why shouldn't i make my own guess?

For all I know though, Texas could be a lot dustier than North Carolina but considering we are in a drought, who knows. He also has a black car while mine is blue, yet my GTI was red and I still notice less dirt on the MS3.

Lets list exactly how the rear wing is effective...

1. Being the root-cause of a thread gone horribly wrong
2. Directing air over the rear of the car
3. Causing arguments over terminology
4. Discovering European MS3's have the US wing as an option, not standard

Anyone else? Please, im BEGGING for more......

******* christ...

 

[mazdaspeed32007]

5. dirt deflector.

 

[mazdaspeed32007]

oh 6. attracting completely retarded thread subscribers.

 

[Brian MP5T]

7. Having even more profoundly retarded people start lists.

 

[dkswim]

wait a sec you just added t the list hmmmmm. interesting trivia the STi wing only adds about 100lbs at 100 mph i havnt read on the efectivness of the evo wing or our wing but i am looking around now.

 

[Brian MP5T]

^^ That wing is the same design the Rally team uses.... I don't think you should compare the MS3 and a WRC Car...

When Mazda starts making race cars again, then I believe there might be some function.

 

[Hikaru9]

Not that I have a degree in aerodynamics, but I have to wonder if the poster was really serious by saying that the spoiler was there to reduce dirt.

The MS3 is the first wagon I've owned, and it gets insane amount of dirt in the back. I reckon this is due to the lack of airflow in the rear since I had not experienced the same issue with other cars (with notchback design). Friends who own SUVs complain about the same thing.

 

[dkswim]

I didnt say I was comparing Im just stating. And neon srt-4 the wing on it is a functional design even though it didnt look like it was. There are other cars like that I'm not saying ours is functional other then to differentiate us from the regular 3 but is always possible it adds some down force or aids in reducing our CD.

 

[Hikaru9]

I didnt say I was comparing Im just stating. And neon srt-4 the wing on it is a functional design even though it didnt look like it was. There are other cars like that I'm not saying ours is functional other then to differentiate us from the regular 3 but is always possible it adds some down force or aids in reducing our CD.

I believe ours is functional (i.e. adds down force). I should write to Mazda Japan to clear up the argument here since I don't own an air tunnel. *^_^*

 

[FlyinHawaiian]

I'm gonna jump on this sh*t-show before its too late and throw in my $0.02.

I am a big fan of aerodynamics on a car. I'll agree that my Protege does not need a huge DTM-style wing on the back with an adjustable front splitter and diffuser plates underneath. On the other hand, I will admit that once I hit 90-mph+ The steering becomes slightly twitchy, and the car DOES feel lighter. I put the 01+ front lip on the car and I noticed a small difference, but nothing to shout about. Mazda has already shown that they wind-tunnel test their cars through the MP3 and MSP. Both the MP3's and the MSP's wings generate positive aerodynamic effects and the front clip is designed to do the same.

Anyways, its a safe statement to make that most OEM wings are effective at speed. What speed you ask? Well any airfoil generates lift / downforce the instant air starts moving over it. This also causes drag. Cars like the MS3 DO need aerodynamic aids to keep it true on the highway. It's a 150+ mph car for goodness sake! Most airliners are up at that speed, so what do you think is keeping your car on the ground? Those APC wings you see can probably be set up to generate the proper amount of downforce (providing its adjustable) but the coefficient of drag they add would nullify the results. Again, OEM spoilers / wings are designed to be as efficient as possible.

Granted, physics has shown us that you don't need a wing / spoiler to keep you on the ground in your car anymore, but it is a tried and true, cheap version of doing it. I'm sure Mazda didn't want to design (or spend the money on) a full undertray with a front splitter / diffuser, NACA ducts, and rear diffuser, so they went with the cheaper, but still effective option.

And guys, instead of knocking people who are throwing an opinion out there, prove them wrong in a civil manner with numbers and knowledge and not profanity. Oh, and especially don't knock guys like Brian MP5T who have put tons of money, time, and emotion into their cars and know what they're talking about. You can learn something from, them...

-Jeff

 

[Sierra117]

I believe ours is functional (i.e. adds down force). I should write to Mazda Japan to clear up the argument here since I don't own an air tunnel. *^_^*

Actually, if we call the help line they should be able to tell us. I remember one story where some guy wanted to know the CoD of an RX-8 with the Mazdaspeed spolier for it, they called the 1-800 number, and found out for him.