Tranny, and LSD

[smp3000]

Sup guys...

As you all know- you guys are lucky to have a tranny with an LSD. Being a fellow turbo guy myself I see and feel the NEED for such. There are many rumors floating around about various LSD's available for the MP3/protege but nothing othe rhtan the Quaiffe (1200$) have I seen to really exist.... Also is the dilema of possibly buying the MSP LSD from mazda, but no one seems to know if they're selling that part to just anyone...

Which brings me to the question.. If buying the LSD is over $500 from mazda, why not just buy the entire tranny? It wouldn't be much more, would be a new tranny, would be a tranny swap instead of a disection, and would just be a hell of a lot cooler to do.

Is the MSP tranny available, if so how much?

 

[dafababa]

if im not wrong than we have the same trans that you do

 

[scapamouche]

I can't speak for Mazda, but the 6-speed in a Celica GT-S goes for almost $2000 by itself: and that's withOUT an LSD....

 

[smp3000]

yes, it is the same tranny- minus the LSD.... But a new tranny is a new tranny.

 

[Kooldino]

What's a G series tranny cost?
What's the tranny w/ the MSP LSD cost?
The quaife might be worth the $1200...buy it and find out!

 

[smp3000]

hmmm very true.... $1200 is just such a punch to the stomach. I hate to even inquire about this, but how horrible is the instal on an LSD? Would I have to mod the internals of the tranny? Or is it a simple- open up- instal- close up?

 

[Logan]

Yes, the transmission has to be opened up to install a limited slip.
Most quaiffe ones are not viscous, they are "clutch" based.
viscous is more driver friendly, and makes the on/off effect of the limited slip "transparent". its a smoother action when it starts to work etc.
The quaiffe one is built to withstand racing stresses, and will certainly be a good product.
I know lots of guys with quaiffe lsd's in other cars, and have never heard a complaint. of course, they are rally cars.
the clutch action in the quaiffe comes on fast, and really works hard.
both do the job, just in different ways.

I read a really good article somewhere on the net spelling out the differences between the various kinds, but can't find it now...

 

[smp3000]

Right on... I wonder if Mr Quaifee has a daughter I could take out or somehting (maybe then he'd knock off some $$$)

 

[scapamouche]

The MSP LSD is not a viscous unit: it is a helical unit: much more effective than a viscous LSD.

 

[Logan]

Oh yeah, every car review that I just looked up on the MSP, the lows were "TORQUE STEER". Get the Quaiffe, you won't regret it.

I've read more lows about "seats" than anything...

 

[dafababa]

I dont meen to change the topic but if you look at the link in the part about suspension it says poly bushings in the front and rubber in the rear. i kbnow that they are diff sizes but why would they put poly in the front and rubber in the rear?

 

[big_ben]

Probably because most of the weight is in the front. Poly is stronger and can take more abuse and not fail.

 

[Logan]

because they want every mp3 and msp owner to experience "the clunk"

 

[big_ben]

Good answer! I really never had any problems at all with the clunk from my MP3.

 

[Logan]

I haven't gotten my MSP yet, but I'm looking forward to it.

 

[dafababa]

it is not diff than the mp3 in terms of the clunk.

 

[blynzoo]

Yes, the transmission has to be opened up to install a limited slip.
Most quaiffe ones are not viscous, they are "clutch" based.
viscous is more driver friendly, and makes the on/off effect of the limited slip "transparent". its a smoother action when it starts to work etc.
The quaiffe one is built to withstand racing stresses, and will certainly be a good product.
I know lots of guys with quaiffe lsd's in other cars, and have never heard a complaint. of course, they are rally cars.
the clutch action in the quaiffe comes on fast, and really works hard.
both do the job, just in different ways.

I read a really good article somewhere on the net spelling out the differences between the various kinds, but can't find it now...

Here:
clutch-type LSD
viscous coupling

 

[PaulMP3]

i read some where that the fork plate(is that what its called)? is different also in the MSP, my tech at my dealer also told me this. someone posted all the part #'s somewhere. This was probally due to all the broken forks in the MP3's. It might be worth getting while you have the tranny apart.

 

[Newf]

first I heard of the forks being differerent...interesting.

 

[turboge]

Don't forget that the Axles on the MSP are also different from the MP3 and Protege ES. You will need them as well to complete the swap of transmissions.