Stalling: HUGE Safety Concern
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It is still a concern to have a engine stall off in middle of traffic and not be able to get it started. Now does it render the whole car uncontrolable? Probably not, but still seriousely effects the car. And is something that should be address.
No matter how you look at it a car SHOULD NOT stall while driving. Even more so for a new car when it looks to relate to a faulty componant.
No matter how you look at it a car SHOULD NOT stall while driving. Even more so for a new car when it looks to relate to a faulty componant.
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When did this stalling start to happening? I have close to 3k and and have not had that problem.
OK guys, i can tellyou exactly what happened to me when this happened..first off my last car I had had no pwer steering, so i know how to drive with no power steering....I rounded a corner(pretty quickly too) and my engine dies, its as if you yank the keys right out, my sterring wheel actually locked up because i was already turning it when the engine died and so it actually locked and i couldnt move it at all! this has nothing to do with try to drive a car w/out power steering because the steering wheel actually completely locked up...so anyways, my engine died, steering locked up, but i had full control of the brakes, so i braked right before i was about to run into a curb!
the real safety issue is..that imagine if i was on the highway or making a turn with someone behind me...at first the engine would died and since initially there are no brakes applied when the engine dies and you come to a screeching halt cuz you are in gear, most people will take awhile realizing that you have stopped, b/c they are used to seeing brake lights...by the time you apply the brakes b/c you realize, "oh sh*t! my car died!" and by the time they realize, "oh sh*t! that guy is stopped on the road!" , they have already run into you at highway speeds...just try to imagine slamming on the brakes on the high way w/ no brakelights while someone is behind you...and youll understand my concern with this HUGE problem with the MSP!
On a side note, for those of you who have only glossed over this post, I will be seeing my dealer about this problem tomoorow, and update all of you.....
this problem has happened to enough of us on the forum, to warrent genuine concern for everyone here, like i said, it may not be happening to you know, but it could happen to you at any time...
the real safety issue is..that imagine if i was on the highway or making a turn with someone behind me...at first the engine would died and since initially there are no brakes applied when the engine dies and you come to a screeching halt cuz you are in gear, most people will take awhile realizing that you have stopped, b/c they are used to seeing brake lights...by the time you apply the brakes b/c you realize, "oh sh*t! my car died!" and by the time they realize, "oh sh*t! that guy is stopped on the road!" , they have already run into you at highway speeds...just try to imagine slamming on the brakes on the high way w/ no brakelights while someone is behind you...and youll understand my concern with this HUGE problem with the MSP!
On a side note, for those of you who have only glossed over this post, I will be seeing my dealer about this problem tomoorow, and update all of you.....
this problem has happened to enough of us on the forum, to warrent genuine concern for everyone here, like i said, it may not be happening to you know, but it could happen to you at any time...
Exactly.
I initally started this Thread to find out how many other MSP owners were encountering stalling as well, not to start a debate.
For those that feel a stalling car doesn't warrant to be classified as a safety issue, need not respond - it just causes the Thread to be way longer that needed with unwanted posts.
BUT, if you still decide to clutter this Thread and want to keep debating the issue, read this first:
California Judge Issues Decision Finding Ford Motor Company Hid Its Knowledge of Safety Concern In 1983-1995 Model Years Cars; Orders Recall and Restitution
For those MSP owners that HAVE NOT encountered any type of stalling, great - I hope it NEVER happens to you. But, if it does, since it's not an isolated case just for me, you know where to come...
Anyways, I should hear something from Mazda Canada by May 20th.
I initally started this Thread to find out how many other MSP owners were encountering stalling as well, not to start a debate.
For those that feel a stalling car doesn't warrant to be classified as a safety issue, need not respond - it just causes the Thread to be way longer that needed with unwanted posts.
BUT, if you still decide to clutter this Thread and want to keep debating the issue, read this first:
California Judge Issues Decision Finding Ford Motor Company Hid Its Knowledge of Safety Concern In 1983-1995 Model Years Cars; Orders Recall and Restitution
For those MSP owners that HAVE NOT encountered any type of stalling, great - I hope it NEVER happens to you. But, if it does, since it's not an isolated case just for me, you know where to come...
Anyways, I should hear something from Mazda Canada by May 20th.
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whoah...that ford recall sounds eirily familiar to our problem....
anyways, an update, i was unable to get an appointment for service at the dealer today, but i have one on monday morning hopefully ill find out some info then...ill keep you guys updated!!
lets hope i make it there in one piece!! (nuts)
anyways, an update, i was unable to get an appointment for service at the dealer today, but i have one on monday morning hopefully ill find out some info then...ill keep you guys updated!!
lets hope i make it there in one piece!! (nuts)
Geezer000 said:
If your brakes lock up when your engine stalls there's something seriosly wrong.....
Thank you! I have done this several times in several different cars...your tires WILL NOT LOCK UP!!! Unless something is holding back the crank...
Sorry. Seems like a struck a nerve here. I was just trying to point out that this isn't a problem that will cause you to go flying thru traffic and hitting something. I do agree that it is a major problem that should be addressed though.
i really hope mazda determines the cause of this problem. i think its really just an issue of a bad of mistuned ECU/ airflow sensor. its probably more electrical/electronic than mechanical. its just really bad 
thankfully though i have almost 4k and no such issues and hope to never have them.
thankfully though i have almost 4k and no such issues and hope to never have them.
My car is currently at the dealership; they're running some diagnostics on it.
Mazda is aware of the problem, but haven't released an ETA for a Flash upgrade. Basically those MSP's that are stalling will simply have to wait until the Flash is sent to the Dealerships.
Regardless if your not experiencing stalling, perhaps look into getting the Flash update anyways when it arrives.
Mazda is aware of the problem, but haven't released an ETA for a Flash upgrade. Basically those MSP's that are stalling will simply have to wait until the Flash is sent to the Dealerships.
Regardless if your not experiencing stalling, perhaps look into getting the Flash update anyways when it arrives.
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Was not the mazdaspeed delayed way back in the beginning before it was released for a certain part, maybe it is that "part" that is causing the problem? I seriously think calloway did a piss poor job of making the protege turbo charged. The aftermarket kits are of much higher quality if you ask me.
Mazda needs to fix this NOW!!!
I hope to GOD that Mazda gets this matter fixed and fast!!!:mad:
Just yesterday I was driving in downtown rush hour traffic(and if any of you are familiar w/ Las Vegas traffic....it SUCKS!!!) and nearly got turned into a permanent piece of Las Vegas`s growing junk yards!! You see....... the way this city designed it`s roads, if you want to get to the other side of the road, you have to do a "U-turn" to get there. As I was in the process of doing this, my damn MSP began to hesitate...and eventually stalled!!! And to top it off, I had a jackass barelling tward me in an Escalade nearly hit my ass!!! And in trying to get my ass moving again, I ******-up my right front rim by eating curb(rant) !!!! This is the second time this hesitation crap happened!!! I just hope Mazda...or somebody finds a fix soon.
I hope to GOD that Mazda gets this matter fixed and fast!!!:mad:
Just yesterday I was driving in downtown rush hour traffic(and if any of you are familiar w/ Las Vegas traffic....it SUCKS!!!) and nearly got turned into a permanent piece of Las Vegas`s growing junk yards!! You see....... the way this city designed it`s roads, if you want to get to the other side of the road, you have to do a "U-turn" to get there. As I was in the process of doing this, my damn MSP began to hesitate...and eventually stalled!!! And to top it off, I had a jackass barelling tward me in an Escalade nearly hit my ass!!! And in trying to get my ass moving again, I ******-up my right front rim by eating curb(rant) !!!! This is the second time this hesitation crap happened!!! I just hope Mazda...or somebody finds a fix soon.
The Latest as of May 23/2003
Okay, here's the latest....
According to what the Dealership/Mazda Canada told me, the Lead Engineer finally was able to truly diagnose the stalling as of last Friday, May 23. Now, like the clunk, they need to spend the time to properly produce a fix (plus test). It may be a combination of both upgraded parts and an updated Computer Flash.
There is no ETA for the fix, all we can do is "be patient" they said.
Due to the fact I contacted Mazda Canada directly and voiced my huge displeasure with the whole stalling experience, I'm apparently "red-flagged" to be the first to have the fix installed on my car.
So.....like usual, it's going to be a waiting game. I'm usually patient and realize things take time to fix, but I'm still uncomfortable not being able to atleast have a "forecasted-target-date".
I must admit though that my service manager at the Dealership has handled the situation good so far.
Okay, here's the latest....
According to what the Dealership/Mazda Canada told me, the Lead Engineer finally was able to truly diagnose the stalling as of last Friday, May 23. Now, like the clunk, they need to spend the time to properly produce a fix (plus test). It may be a combination of both upgraded parts and an updated Computer Flash.
There is no ETA for the fix, all we can do is "be patient" they said.
Due to the fact I contacted Mazda Canada directly and voiced my huge displeasure with the whole stalling experience, I'm apparently "red-flagged" to be the first to have the fix installed on my car.
So.....like usual, it's going to be a waiting game. I'm usually patient and realize things take time to fix, but I'm still uncomfortable not being able to atleast have a "forecasted-target-date".
I must admit though that my service manager at the Dealership has handled the situation good so far.
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This is Good news No.5 ( short circuit fan are we???).
At least it's being addressed. I find that hardest thing to accomplish is getting someone to believe you from Mazda. Seems they are being a little easier to talk to this time. At least it didn't take you over a year to be taken seriously.
Congrats. We owe you dude.
At least it's being addressed. I find that hardest thing to accomplish is getting someone to believe you from Mazda. Seems they are being a little easier to talk to this time. At least it didn't take you over a year to be taken seriously.
Congrats. We owe you dude.
newf said:
Ah, just learning from your Clunk compaign. Initially after reading your entire post History, I was indeed concerned that it would take forever for them to atleast acknowledge it. I gather with my genuine safety concern, and "politically correct" verbal campaign, I actually got somewhere within Mazda corporate.
It also helped that the car did stall when my service manager drove it
sorry bout the delay...i checked with my Mazda dealer and....to no surprise.....they couldnt find anything wrong...they gave me a number to call and i reported it to customer service at Mazda..and they said they would keep me updated...oh well, by the time they get back to me with a fix or issue a recall..i'll probably have gotten into a serious accident(god..i hope not).....lets just hope something gets done about this soon, if not, i'll have to just bite the bullet, lose thousands of dollars and get a new freakin car, just so i'll feel safe..but only time will tell, what happens with all of this..
Damn..I love and hate my MSP!:wtf:
Damn..I love and hate my MSP!:wtf:
eddy said:
Actually when they ran the diagnostics on my car yesterday, all the results were fine. Then, the service manager took it for a boot and it stalled on him.
Anyways, Eddy, keep us in the loop - I'm interested how Mazda Canada and MazdaUSA will coordinate efforts on this one.
