Speed 6 vs. WRX STI

[Koenig]

eh, they call it "investing" because you are taking a chance and putting money into the car

Same with stocks.... when you "invest" in the stock market, you take a chance.... you might be able to buy low and then sell high (which turns a profit) or be stuck with a bumbling company and watch your shares price plummet lower everyday

so it's a "risk" or "investment" with the car


I'm still waiting for someone to tell me the difference between the 04 and the 05 if we can beat an 04 but the 05 inches out over us? Does the 05 have a better clutch/gear ratio or something?

Oh and Micah, I'd like a link or something to pix of your WRX please, I am a long time Subie fan or at least a few pics of your engine bay.... thanks.

 

[Rican219]

Cool - just come down to NJ when you get a chance. Just so you know, I'm Cobb stage 2.5, not 2. It's comparable to UTEC stage 4. AFAIK, the differenece is the bigger turbo. I'm running 18psi on the vf34, it's slightly larger than the vf39(USDM STI) on the exhaust side and ball bearing cartridge. It's a fun and very streetable turbo, boost building somewhere under 2800rpm and full boost available by around 3200rpm. Had I wanted top end I would have gone the PE1820 route, but the vf34 had an off the shelf map available.

Nice setup I have a friend who has a similar setup. Noting Sounds Sexier then a subie with an Exhaust system.

LOL I wish I lived a Little closer then it would be GAME ON ! LOL (cabpatch)

 

[Micah]

I'll try to take some shots under the hood this week if I can find a decent digital camera, otherwise I'll use my phone. Most of my hoses are black, the plan was to keep things looking stock. For the most part, it's been accomplished. Looking under the hood, the main thing that sticks out is the K&N SRI, then the perrin hoses, and the Tein c/o's with EDFC motors on top. Oh, and the STI intercooler too, almost forgot about that. Things that aren't quite so obvious would be the GFB pulley, Bosal divorced downpipe.... and I think that's it. Hard to consider the plugs or fuel injectors - though they certainly were part of the mods, they aren't visible.

I honestly don't know that the 04/05 were different in any way. That might have been when they changed the tooth profile on the gears in the tranny, but I'm totally taking a guess on that.

 

[Koenig]

I'll try to take some shots under the hood this week if I can find a decent digital camera, otherwise I'll use my phone. Most of my hoses are black, the plan was to keep things looking stock. For the most part, it's been accomplished. Looking under the hood, the main thing that sticks out is the K&N SRI, then the perrin hoses, and the Tein c/o's with EDFC motors on top. Oh, and the STI intercooler too, almost forgot about that. Things that aren't quite so obvious would be the GFB pulley, Bosal divorced downpipe.... and I think that's it. Hard to consider the plugs or fuel injectors - though they certainly were part of the mods, they aren't visible.

I honestly don't know that the 04/05 were different in any way. That might have been when they changed the tooth profile on the gears in the tranny, but I'm totally taking a guess on that.

You said your car is black right? have your IC painted/powdercoated black so it's not as easy to see from the front........total sleeper look, that's what I'm going to do when I get a FMIC for my speed6.... (like the CPE one) have it coated black.... maybe anodized.

oh and +1 with the Subies on exhaust, my friend has an 05 WRX with a Blitz NUR spec exhaust (or something along those lines) his car sounds SWEET.... almost like there's a powerful v6/v8 in the car, (lol2)

 

[MS6S2K]

Yeah, going from my 04 STI, and trading it in for the Speed 6, it's definitely not as fast, but also not major night and day either. The STI really has some serious 0 to 100 acceleration the Speed 6 can't touch. It gets closer when you start changing the race to highway rolling power, but the STI will still have the edge because after all it weighs about 250-300lbs less and pushes about 20 more whp and torque. Now mods wise, it's best not to talk about mods vs mods, because currently the STI is far more capable, and easier to make fast. Gotta let the aftermarket catch up regarding that. Also, the STI is a finer tuned car without question right now. Hopefully in due time the Speed 3 and 6 will have their little bugs all worked out.

Either way, you're comparing a car that's compact, more raw, and more track, racing oriented. There's no sound deadoning, you can hear the turbo, you can hear lots more road noise, the car is bumpier, it does have better shifting, and The Speed 6 wasn't built to compete with the STI. It was built as a more luxurious adult alternative, sacrificing performance for more luxury, amenities, and classier looks.. It's all a compromise. If you're more about the total package in a year round car, the Speed 6 is a more affordable and better choice. However, if you are a true diehard AWD enthusiast, and only own one car, your intention is to mod to race, the STI is the better choice. You just have to live with it's no so friendly ride, although the car has tamed since my 04, so it's not as bad as it was. My 04 was just RAW. Didn't even come with a radio either. I had to install one myself.

 

[07MS6]

eh, they call it "investing" because you are taking a chance and putting money into the car

LOL

Same with stocks.... when you "invest" in the stock market, you take a chance.... you might be able to buy low and then sell high (which turns a profit) or be stuck with a bumbling company and watch your shares price plummet lower everyday

so it's a "risk" or "investment" with the car

Horrible comparison.

 

[Micah]

I won't do the FMIC - too prone to damage in a frontal collision, extra piping causes a bit of lag and loss. I'm fairly sure Perrin has a black FMIC - might be APS, but I know someone does. I'm currently trying to figure out a way to mount a slimline fan either under or above my TMIC - to be triggerred either by a circuit at low rpm, or manually switched on in the cabin.

Yeah, my exhaust is kinda loud because it's catless, not so much at idle that I need to worry about anyone noticing though. My whole set of plans with this car has been to keep it reliable. That's why I've stuck with an off the shelf map. I'm sure a protune would net me some nice gains, I'm just not ready to make the change. Cobb's maps are known for being very safe - safe is good. I'm happy with the car as is now, everything is improved significantly as compared to stock, even mpg.

 

[Karma_hunden]

mod for mod. 07 STI will get a rear bumper on a MS6. Right mike?

 

[Koenig]

I won't do the FMIC - too prone to damage in a frontal collision, extra piping causes a bit of lag and loss. I'm fairly sure Perrin has a black FMIC - might be APS, but I know someone does. I'm currently trying to figure out a way to mount a slimline fan either under or above my TMIC - to be triggerred either by a circuit at low rpm, or manually switched on in the cabin.

You have a larger turbo you shouldn't have any problem with lag or loss.... those can also be tuned down... the CP-E FMIC for the speed6 has no lag or loss compared to the stock TMIC (dance) ..... I've read the info release on it & CPE is known for testing their products on their inhouse MS6

 

[Koenig]

LOL

Horrible comparison.

It was the best I could think of.... you're taking a chance and dumping money into your car

you're taking a chance and dumping money into the stock market.... neither "investment" is a win situtation, they're 50/50 AT BEST

People who put money into a CAI, only to have it "water logged" and a messed up engine do to hydrolocking or near hydrolocking? That's risk to me on your investment

 

[07MS6]

It was the best I could think of.... you're taking a chance and dumping money into your car

you're taking a chance and dumping money into the stock market.... neither "investment" is a win situtation, they're 50/50 AT BEST

People who put money into a CAI, only to have it "water logged" and a messed up engine do to hydrolocking or near hydrolocking? That's risk to me on your investment

You can't compare the 2 so please stop.

You have a chance of breaking even or making $ w/stocks.

Modding your WRX or MS6 does not give you that opporunity. (yawn)

 

[MS6mike]

mod for mod. 07 STI will get a rear bumper on a MS6. Right mike?

only if they are tuned and i am not!(burnout)

 

[Koenig]

You can't compare the 2 so please stop.

You have a chance of breaking even or making $ w/stocks.

Modding your WRX or MS6 does not give you that opporunity. (yawn)

You have a chance of seeing good gains or screwing up your car with a mod....... that's why it's called an "investment"

and with stocks breaking even isn't considered a "good thing" because you want to make money, not get back the same amount you bought it for.... a lot of stocks can drop and stay below what you paid for it for a quite a while.

Definition of Investment

Please note definition number 6..... that is how it relates to a car. Now your question is answered.....(band)

 

[snooky]

only if they are tuned and i am not!(burnout)

HAHA ya right!

u prob have the most moded MS6 on the forum no?

 

[Micah]

You have a larger turbo you shouldn't have any problem with lag or loss.... those can also be tuned down... the CP-E FMIC for the speed6 has no lag or loss compared to the stock TMIC (dance) ..... I've read the info release on it & CPE is known for testing their products on their inhouse MS6

I have talked to a few people who made the switch from TMIC to FMIC, all of them have said that it created a little more lag. Had I gone with a larger turbo, I'd consider a FMIC, but my vf34 turbo is only slightly larger than the vf39 which is stock on the STI.

No offense to CP-E, but I'd be looking for other review sources. Bias is simply unavoidable. Stick with magazines and review sites. For Subaru owners www.subarureview.com is a great site. Especially focus on review sites and forum reviews as you can literally track the user down and talk to them about it via PM/IM/face-to-face. Maybe you Mazda people should start a site similar to the one I posted above.

The only way a fleshed out aftermarket happens is if people keep buying and speak honestly of things. The biggest issues I see people complain about in Subaru parts reviews is fitment, build quality, and design - pretty much in that order, these become the parts that most people don't buy.

 

[Koenig]

I have talked to a few people who made the switch from TMIC to FMIC, all of them have said that it created a little more lag. Had I gone with a larger turbo, I'd consider a FMIC, but my vf34 turbo is only slightly larger than the vf39 which is stock on the STI.

No offense to CP-E, but I'd be looking for other review sources. Bias is simply unavoidable. Stick with magazines and review sites. For Subaru owners www.subarureview.com is a great site. Especially focus on review sites and forum reviews as you can literally track the user down and talk to them about it via PM/IM/face-to-face. Maybe you Mazda people should start a site similar to the one I posted above.

The only way a fleshed out aftermarket happens is if people keep buying and speak honestly of things. The biggest issues I see people complain about in Subaru parts reviews is fitment, build quality, and design - pretty much in that order, these become the parts that most people don't buy.

considering the fact they gave dyno graph/data runs on the FMIC they made, I don't doubt them... CP-E would probably be shunned by the MS6 community if they were caught lying about products.

Also the lag is due to long piping. I believe the FMIC from CP-E doesn't have long piping and they've used the shortest route possible.... our engines ARE different fromt the subaru engines.

I didn't know the vf34 was only slightly larger than the vf39, I thought it was siginificantly larger...

 

[Micah]

The vf34 is known for having a ball bearing center cartridge, and a slightly larger exhaust side that is less prone to cracking as compared to the vf34 - or so I have been told.

It feels good to me.

For CP-E, you have no way to know if the before and after dyno's are the worst before and the best after - this is common. Not to say it's directly misleading, but it is also not indicative of average gains. When some forum members get parts on and have baseline dyno's(usually not just one - normally 3-5 pulls with time stamps shown on dyno sheet), then post install dyno's(again, with multiple pulls) - those are the ones you should be trusting.

Does anyone here remember Spool turbo? How about Mental Addiction Motorsports? How about Perfworks? My point being - vendors come and go - some good, some bad, but I see alot of people hopping on the popular bandwagon and I hope things work out for the best.

 

[Koenig]

The vf34 is known for having a ball bearing center cartridge, and a slightly larger exhaust side that is less prone to cracking as compared to the vf34 - or so I have been told.

It feels good to me.

For CP-E, you have no way to know if the before and after dyno's are the worst before and the best after - this is common. Not to say it's directly misleading, but it is also not indicative of average gains. When some forum members get parts on and have baseline dyno's(usually not just one - normally 3-5 pulls with time stamps shown on dyno sheet), then post install dyno's(again, with multiple pulls) - those are the ones you should be trusting.

Does anyone here remember Spool turbo? How about Mental Addiction Motorsports? How about Perfworks? My point being - vendors come and go - some good, some bad, but I see alot of people hopping on the popular bandwagon and I hope things work out for the best.

Well I would love to get the FMIc and do some runs for myself......my BASE car, because it's completely stock (not even a CAI.....yet)

the only problem keeping me from doing that is money..... I have to pay my bills and pay for school, car payments, insurance, etc.

so it takes a while to save up a lot of money and the FMIC is about $1200..... which is also the price of their TBE....and I for one, at he moment, would prefer to have the TBE for now, so I'm in the process of saving for that, then I'd have to wait and save for the FMIC.

You're right though, there is no way of knowing if CP-E did a heatsoaked run with the stock tmic and then a cold run with the fmic....... but CP-E seems to be very helpful with their customers, and always quick to reply to questions.....even I've asked jordan a few questions and gotten faster responses (within 24 hours) faster than I really expected. They seem good and trust worthy...... but the only way of really knowing is anyone who'll actually have the FMIC when it's released..... when that comes I hope some people post up their "personal" reviews in regards to lag and loss...... but of course I'll be looking for the people who have the EMS... because after you get a FMIC you're gonna need a new tune for the setup (lol2)

 

[Speed3girl]

Noticed the wedding dress in the avatar?

Exactly............

down boy!! (smash)

Yes yes.

 

[Killer]

SVX for the win!