Protege5 Audio Suggestion

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2002 mazda protege5
Before I do my searching for some headunits (single or double din set ups), front and rear speakers, what do you guys suggest on getting due to sounds quality and looks? Again, this will be on the 2002 Mazda Protege5.
 
Don't go overkill on the subs. In reality to get quality sound your going to pay. I paid $80 for 2 6x9 pioneers and they're ok but I wouldn't say they're great. You'll problem spend $300 for 4 good speakers. Not including an amp for them. Then theirs the head unit. And then the subs and amp and box if you go that route
 
To get a good system that's worth your time building it, plan on spending really no less than $400. That would be without an amp, which, in my opinion, isn't totally necessary if you get a good head unit. You can always add an amp later if you decide you need it. That's also without a subwoofer.

Single din vs double din is really just your personal preference. Do you want a pocket under your radio? Get a single din. Do you not care so much about the pocket and want a more OEM look? Go for a double din. Only real fact is that you typically can get a better sounding single din cheaper than an equivalent double din, for obvious reasons.

I would personally get three-way speakers for your fronts and two-way speakers for your rear doors.
 
To get a good system that's worth your time building it, plan on spending really no less than $400. That would be without an amp, which, in my opinion, isn't totally necessary if you get a good head unit. You can always add an amp later if you decide you need it. That's also without a subwoofer.

Single din vs double din is really just your personal preference. Do you want a pocket under your radio? Get a single din. Do you not care so much about the pocket and want a more OEM look? Go for a double din. Only real fact is that you typically can get a better sounding single din cheaper than an equivalent double din, for obvious reasons.

I would personally get three-way speakers for your fronts and two-way speakers for your rear doors.

I personally like the single din. I saw a Sony DSXS310BTX Digital Media Receiver with Pandora Stream (166.99), single din w/Scosche MA02B Speaker Connector & Scosche DT1 Radio Removal tools (29.92). This is all on amazon. Also to throw it out there, I got a Kicker 10C124 12" 300 watts Single 4 ohm Comp Series Car Subwoofer (C124) for a very decent price at bestbuy. What amp and speakers (fronts & rears) would complete my set up for sound quality?
 
For decks: I'm a Kenwood mand myself. Alpine and Pioneer have some nice ones as well. If you want a single DIN I'm unloading my Kenwood KIV700 ;-)

Speakers: Kenwood on a budget, JL good all around, Focal if you want high end. Unless you're willing to treat your entire car acoustically, I wouldn't drop more than $300 for a pair of components. Stick with 2-way components up front and two way co-ax in the rears. 3-way is a waste of time unless you're going to a) treat the car and b) spend a lot of money. Cheap 3-way's will skimp on the crossovers and introduce more problems than they're worth. And in a car listening environment the benefit to three way designs (esp when you can't isolate the rear of the components acoustically) is negligible at best, and may cause major midrange issues at worst.

Amps: JL or Alpine for me personally.

Subs: I admit the existence of no other sub but JL. But i'm hella pretentious like that. Kenwood and Alpine make nice drivers as well. Avoid RF, Kicker, Sony Xplode and almost anything they sell at Futureshop or Best Buy. They'll play some low notes.. but not especially well. if all you want is ricer-style boom they'll work, but if you really like music, you'll regret it.

You really have to decide how involved you want to get. If you get a nice deck, you can easily forgo the 4ch amp and all the associated wiring that goes with it, as it will drive your fronts and rears pretty well with the stock factory wiring. But if you're really concerned with sound a dedicated amp to drive the front and rears in a must. Then you get into running speaker wire, power wire, power distribution and (depending on your alternator and the strength of your electrical system) you may need to upgrade power wiring in the engine bay or look a a bigger battery. You just have to have a design goal in mind first. It's a bit of an addiction though, so you can start with a couple of speakers and a deck, and then $10k later wonder where your money and your wife went....

Remember that once you start adding amps you need a space to put them, wiring, and power distribution. If you think you might want to upgrade or add amps or speakers later, be SURE to over-size your power wiring the first time, so you dont have to tear it all out and do it again when you wanna go up.

Also remember to budget for adaptor kits and steering wheel adaptors (if you have steering wheel controls) and a little contingency incase you run into problems, or decide not to DIY the tough parts and pay for an install.
 
Was going to suggest Crutchfield for the h/u as they offer a free install kit but their price for is $279.99.

If you go with the single din, don't forget a pocket. Forego the Metra or Scosche and look for one from an MSP (has a door but can be pricey) or from a 99-00 Miata (basically the same without the door but cheaper). You might be able to score the MSP on the forums for a good price and while at it grab the support bar...about $10 from the dealer IIRC. Much better fitment than the aftermarket pockets.

My MSP pocket
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Link to the thread with more info on the Miata pocket - http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-123714976.html
 

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ive always run Alpine or pioneer head units

mtx amps

alpine woofers

match your amp to your woofer i see kids running `1500w amps to one 250w sub and getting pissed when it blows

i have a 250w x2 at 2 ohms (bridgeable to 250w x1 at 4 ohms) amp, my sub is rated at 250w at 4ohms bridge both channels of the amp i can crank the s*** out of my system and not have to worry about my sub imploding or sounding like total s***

The RMS wattage rating of a sub measures how much power the sub can handle without suffering damage. The RMS wattage rating of an amp measures how much power the amp can produce. The closer these two ratings are to each other the better off you'll be.

The sub will be able to perform at its maximum rating, and the amp won't overwork itself to drive the sub.
 
Also make sure the amp isn't too small. 400 watt amp didn't like 2 12" Polk audios. It fried and melted half the power wire.

And don't go cheap on the amp either I have a junk ass 400rms watt Pyle amp right now and it makes nice sounding subs sound like s***. They sounding amazing with the other amp and now they sound like garbage
 
As far as power ratings go, please check details. A company that advertises for example, 100W RMS for an amp doesn't mean squat without qualifiers. 100W RMS @ say 500Hz and 1% THD is garbage. It probably won't turn out 25W clean. Look for power ratings at 1kHz and look for less than 0.5% THD at rated power. Good home theatre HiFi system will do better than .08%THD at rated power...


Also remember that it is better to OVER power than underpower. You're more likely to damage a speaker (esp mid highs) by underpowering, running out of headroom and sending a clipped square wave to the tweeter.
 
I paid $40 for the amp. I wanted something right then. That wouldn't fry, I never realized how bad a bad amp could sound till I got one
 
What worked well for me:
Amps under each seat
Very good single DIN with built in adjustable crossovers
Beefy wire directly off battery with good in-line fuse at battery and upgraded the grounds from the car body to the battery
Put power distribution block (w/ fuses) behind the little panel in the back of the center console ;)
Built a simple sealed box for two 10" subs as a 'floor' over the spare (but removable in case of flat tire) and put the carpet back over it (stealthy). If i did it again i would have done a single 10" (and spent more $$ on the driver than 'splitting the budget' to get two less expensive ones...)
 
Oh! And i would have mounted the crossovers for the door speakers inside the car and not in the doors (corrosion issues 4eva' {rolls eyes} )
 
ive always run Alpine or pioneer head units

mtx amps

alpine woofers

match your amp to your woofer i see kids running `1500w amps to one 250w sub and getting pissed when it blows

i have a 250w x2 at 2 ohms (bridgeable to 250w x1 at 4 ohms) amp, my sub is rated at 250w at 4ohms bridge both channels of the amp i can crank the s*** out of my system and not have to worry about my sub imploding or sounding like total s***

The RMS wattage rating of a sub measures how much power the sub can handle without suffering damage. The RMS wattage rating of an amp measures how much power the amp can produce. The closer these two ratings are to each other the better off you'll be.

The sub will be able to perform at its maximum rating, and the amp won't overwork itself to drive the sub.

Just a quick clarification:

The RMS rating of an amplifier or head unit illustrates the wattage it can produce 'sustained w/o distortion'...and is WAY more relevant for any form of sound system building (not just car audio)...manufacturers used to use 'peak' output...which was a complete gimmick, and didn't reflect a particular amp or reciever's ability to send out usable signal at high wattage...

its been a while, so i don't know if they use 'root mean squared' measurements on an actual speaker or sub...i thought they still used a peak value it could handle, but i haven't upgraded equipment for years...

for the record, i've had an alpine 9835 bio-lite receiver for about 7 years...loved it since i bought it, even though the motorized face plate seems kind of corny now. Has a 4 way 38 watt rms internal amp, with a direct fused battery connection, which has been great with upgraded door speakers...I bought a 10" ported box, sub, and amp from a friend in college...nothing that special, but still way louder than i ever need it to be.
 
Just a quick clarification:

The RMS rating of an amplifier or head unit illustrates the wattage it can produce 'sustained w/o distortion'...and is WAY more relevant for any form of sound system building (not just car audio)...manufacturers used to use 'peak' output...which was a complete gimmick, and didn't reflect a particular amp or reciever's ability to send out usable signal at high wattage...

its been a while, so i don't know if they use 'root mean squared' measurements on an actual speaker or sub...i thought they still used a peak value it could handle, but i haven't upgraded equipment for years...

for the record, i've had an alpine 9835 bio-lite receiver for about 7 years...loved it since i bought it, even though the motorized face plate seems kind of corny now. Has a 4 way 38 watt rms internal amp, with a direct fused battery connection, which has been great with upgraded door speakers...I bought a 10" ported box, sub, and amp from a friend in college...nothing that special, but still way louder than i ever need it to be.

I dont know as much about audio system, FYI. What amp and speakers would complete my setup if i was going for a Sony DSXS310BTX Digital Media Receiver with Pandora Stream (166.99), single din w/Scosche MA02B Speaker Connector & Scosche DT1 Radio Removal tools (29.92) & Kicker 10C124 12" 300 watts Single 4 ohm Comp Series Car Subwoofer. I heard Apline and JL speakers are pretty decent quality speakers. Whats the difference of coaxial speakers, component speakers, and tweeters?
 
Here is a general guide for yah:

Headunits: All on preference as far as if you want DIN or Double DIN. Also, try and stick with bigger brands on these (Kenwood, Pioneer, etc) being that they have been making them for years now and are generally very reliable units at a good price most of the time. You can step up to their "Premier Units" (Pioneer Premier, Kenwood Excelon, etc.) for better features and such. My personal recommendation is to get a Unit with what features you plan on using and installing (Satellite Radio, Pandora, Bluetooth, IPod interface, Nav, etc...). Also, if you plan on using Amplifiers for anything, then get a unit with higher Pre-amp Voltages (5V or more). The signal will be cleaner to the amp and you wont have to turn up the gain and muddle the sound quality. Also the amp will run more efficiently.

Speakers: Biggest myth on these is that if I buy speakers that have more power handling I'll get better/louder sound...This is way wrong... The fact is you want to get speakers that A. Fit the door correctly because crap mounting equals crap sound and B. are as closely rated to the output power of either your Headunit or Amplifier, if you are going that way. Being that most Headunits nowadays run at around 35-45watts RMS per channel at 4 Ohms, that is where you want your speakers to fall also. If you get some High end speakers that run at 120watts RMS at 4 Ohms, they are going to be under powered and actually sound quieter and worse than your stock paper cones because you just went from over powering the stock speakers with an aftermarket headunit to under-powering after market speakers. Make sense?

So if you don't plan on amplifying you door speakers, stick with the lesser expensive lower wattage units and you'll be in the clear, however, you going with an amplified system, the sky's the limit, being that you match the power ratings. As far as brand, to each their own, I prefer Infinity or Kicker for door speakers...But it's all in preference of the buyer. I wouldn't wrap your head around brands too much unless you're building a really high end system. Honestly a $70 set of Pioneers will sound just fine on a headunit powered system.

Amps/Subs: This is always a huge controversial topic in the car audio world. Everyone has their specific opinion on what is good and what is crap. The key fact of the matter is that you generally get what you pay for...The better companies cost alot more for a reason usually. However there are brands the people don't really know about out there that will compete the hell out of the big name brands, so as stated before...to each their own...The key thing to go with is a few simple decisions....

A. What kind of music you are listening to
B. Space constraints
C. Budget
D. How Much power your vehicle's electrical system your car can handle
E. What effect you are looking for (Nice clean bass, or rattle s*** off the shelves of the local gas station bump)

Once all that has been decided, then you can do your build. Same rules apply to subs an amps as regular full range speakers. Max Power MEANS NOTHING! so don't read into that gimmick. RMS and Ohms are all that mater for a basic build. If you go crazy, then THD %, actual rated power, box volume/size/type, and many many more characteristics come into play. For instance if you have a single 12" SVC (single voice coil) sub running at 300 watts RMS at 4 ohms, then you should look for an amp running at roughly 350watts RMS at 4 ohms per channel or slightly higher. More power is better than less power as stated before in this thread. You will kill a driver/coil faster off not enough power than you will with too much. Plus you can always turn down the Amp but can't add power to one.

Hope this make sense and helps with you decision making... (cool)
 
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