new thoughts

[03_es]

alright.......my parents wont let me buy stuff online, so i have to change brands for....everything. here's the new thoughts, any opinions/comments?


Focal Polykevlar Front comps off a jl 300*2 or a 450*4 with jl vr 6*9's for rear fill

jl 10w6v2 prowedge with a 500.1 amp

stock head

some type of eq (i dont know what my local shop carries) with line leval converters if needed

thanks.

 

[Adam3482P]

Damn I need to read better
I'm a stupid Focker(freak)

 

[1sty]

alright.......my parents wont let me buy stuff online, so i have to change brands for....everything. here's the new thoughts, any opinions/comments?


Focal Polykevlar Front comps off a jl 300*2 or a 450*4 with jl vr 6*9's for rear fill

jl 10w6v2 prowedge with a 500.1 amp

stock head

some type of eq (i dont know what my local shop carries) with line leval converters if needed

thanks.

Sounds good to me. The 450/4 will be nice but I would use all focal or all JL don't mix the satellite speakers. Its a serious no no for SQ.

I would use an Audio Control EQS as it gives you an EQ for front, rears and subs and can take the speaker level outputs of your head unit and turn it into 3 sets of preouts for amps.
www.audiocontrol.com

 

[03_es]

thanks for the advice 1st mp3, would you (or anyone else) advise for or against having rear fill? and if so, should i change the speaker size from 6*9 to something round? and should i go for coaxes/ components, or just midbasses in back?


thanks.

 

[1sty]

Midbass in the back is a bad idea the subs are going to cuase havic on anything back there ao usualy the rears are set to be just audible and not a player in the system. The rear speakers in the sedan can also be used to raise the stage a little but that is a balancing act as it can also pull the stage back.

A rear component or just a mid running only on a high pass crossover is the most common meathod. I would use a componet or round mid as I don't like 6x9s especialy for SQ.

 

[slug420]

my opinion/comment is......

you were going to buy stuff online, I imagine because you wanted to save money. If this is the case then I dont understand why you are now going to go the JL route. Granted they are high quality and you probably do get what you pay for, but if you look at brands commonly available in retail stores/stereo shops then JL has to be just about THE most expensive brand out there.

1stmp3 will probably punch me for sayin all this. But if I was on a limited budget (like I am), even though I would like to get JL stuff, which i would, im going with a cheaper brand.

for SQ I like the infinity perfects. They have a MSRP of like 350 but can easily be found in a local stereo shop around 250 or less. If you look in the infinity show car they use JBL amplifiers. This is aprtially because JBL and Infinity are owned by the same company, but if you check out some online car audio forums, JBL amps are used what seems to me like more often than any other single brand. If you have a significant hunk of change to spend on all this then you can certainly get something of higher quality than a JBL amp but if you are ona limited budget they might be worth a look.

If you wanted a SPL woofer, which I dont think is the case since you are goign with a single 10w6v2, then I would suggest RF Power series (probably on par with a w6v2 for pricing) or a solobaric. The problem with JL, well, not a problem at all really, is just that they regulate who sells their gear a lot. So it is very unlikely that you will find a JL dealer who will cut you all kinds of deals based on your budget just to sell you equipment, whereas a local stereo shop will have the ability with Kicker/JBL/Inifnity/Audiobahn/RF etc... to move the price around to suit their needs. So basically I am gonna venture to say that you can shop around at 10 JL retailers and compare their prices to MSRP and then shop around at 10 (other brand) retailers and compare their prices to MSRP.

Again, if you are not on a limited budget then you can ignore this whole rant.

 

[1sty]

If you think JL is the highest keep looking.
Rainbow has $3000 speakers. Denon has $2000 head unit. Many manufactures produce subs that make the W7 appear reasonable.

JL is by far the most sucessful manufacturer of Subwoofer ever. No one other company comes close to JLs SQ winning record.
There speakers have never been big hits until recently. the amps are obviously new but had been in the works for a good long time but are definitly not the best. JL makes amps the same as everyone else basicly giving you 1 watt per $.95 or so. Cheaper amps that for go decent adjustable crossover and don't have regulated power suplies are offering more power per dollar but that power is not actualy usable since a car does not maintain a 14.4 volt supply when bass hits so you have to go by its 12.6 volt rating which is where the battery catches the voltage and switches from being a drain to being a supply. My next choice to JL is alpine amps as I have always loved the results I have achieved with them. The only sub I would substitute the JL W6v2 with is the Eclipse Aluminum. JBLs are not substitutable with either amp or sub. JBL amps can provide the same volume potential as JL but not the same SQ. To disagree with this I want to see a picture of a single SQ winning system with JBL subs.

JBL has no speaker that can touch Focal, they are a on an entire different level. JBL speakers are more of a DB speaker and Focals can please the most descriminent ear.

 

[Natey]

Just wanted to say that I LOVE my Focals! I could only afford the Polykevs, and not the top-of-the-line Utopias, but I gotta tell ya, they sound great.
I've got Klipsch home speakers, so I've become a little spoiled when it comes to sound quality, and the Focals sound better than every comparable speaker that I've heard.(Quart, Boston, Diamond, even the almighty JL!)

 

[1sty]

JL speakers are hardly in Focals capabilities there most expensive set is only $380. Now the Boston Zs theres a mach for the focals any day, I like them much better then any focal. The quarts I haven't yet so we will see

 

[Natey]

Check these out. Are these for real?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3013801150&category=32819


That's some serious DUCKETS for a set of speakers.

 

[1sty]

They are very real

 

[Natey]

That tweeter looks like it came out of Terminator.

 

[1sty]

RainBow is pretty much considered the best possible speaker you can buy. However they are so expensive and unabe to make deales to compeditors that I don't know of them yet winning a single major competition.

 

[Natey]

Pretty amazing stuff. 3500 bucks, used.

Right on, 1st MP3, thanks for the info....as long as I'm hounding you,, what is your opinion on Crystal Audio? They seem to be nice, but I've never actually heard them.

 

[1sty]

me either. Forget hear them I have yet to see them at all.
There are alot of smaller companies like that that you kind of have to wonder how good can there engineering be if they can not really get there product to market.
For example I fell in love with image dynamics at a show and called them to find a dealer turns out the closest dealer to me is in NY! Then i asked who the north east rep is. They said there was none, WTF. Not even a rep! They actualy laughed when I mentioned that maybe the reason they have no dealers is becuase they don't have a rep.

 

[slug420]

i said if you look at brands commonly available in your local stereo shop, and I have never heard of mobile audio products from denon or rainbow let alone seen them in a shop. and c'mon, you wont agree that out of all the brands you might find in your local stereo shops or in retail chains such as tweeter that JL is the most expensive? not sayin they're not worth it, just talkin about what the bill is gonna look like...

and im not saying the JBL or RF or anything is better than JL or even as good as JL, im just saying that there is decent stuff out there for less money. If he doesnt have a descriminent ear then his dollar might go farther elsewhere....

 

[1sty]

Definitly not the most expensive.
Speaker wise they are one of the least expensive. You can get a 3 way component XR set for $500, With BA you can only get a 2 way pro series set for that not to mention the Zs are $1K. MB Quarts topple that at $1300 for there best. JLs TR line is on par with other entry speaker replacements from alpine eclipse and BA. Kicker and Pioneer go less expense but the speaker suck major ass asweel, the eclipse is the best sounding IMO. The VRs are right there with BAs and Alpines mid line stuff.

Sub wise they just don't make any dirt cheap POS buy one get one free crap for $100. On the high end of subs the W7 is on par with Kicker L7s, Eclipse Titaniums, Diamond and focal subs.

the amps are the only thing that are hogh line only and the new entry level amps will be in stores in the next month. However even the high line amps are on par with the alpines and kicker amps. Take the 300/4 for example its $499 retail and gives you 75 x4 rms at 12 volts. The alpine MRV-F540 is $599 and only give you 50x4 rms at 12 volts. So the JL gives you 50% more power then the alpine and for $100 less. Sounds like a deal to me .
Also Pheonix Gold and Orion both have more expensive amps.

the think you have to realize is that JL is not a Bestbuy or Circuit City brand. They make nothing dirt cheap. JBL, Kenwood and Pioneer are. The Kenwood KAC-929 is rated at over 400 rms but can barely push 2 12W0s which only need 125 watts apeice. It costs over $300 and the JL 250/1 for less then $100 more I have seen smack up 4 12W0s. The Pioneers amps sound better when not being used at all. they're terrible. With JBL I have said before and will say again that due to my lack of experience with them I will for go judgement. But I know the truth already .

So do you mean when compared to equipment Tweeter sells or when Compared to the crap CC or BB sell. In that logic JBL is over priced becuase I can get the same performance from a Jensen!

 

[03_es]

well, i made a visit to the local shop...here's the quote i got, ami getting ripped off?


kenwood kdc-mpv622 head 240
install 40
parts (pocket/harness) 30
focal 165k front comps 385
focal axis 6*9 189
JL 300/4 389
JL 500/1 425
JL 10w6 prowedge 425
4 guage wiring kit 50
install 200


total $2250

thanks for all the help....with luck, ill have something to show for it soon.

 

[1sty]

I assume you mean kdc-mpv6022 What about 2 sets of RCAs?
I would HIGHLY suggest getting a head unit with 3 preouts not just 2.
The only peice of the system more important then the head unit is the front speakers so don't kimp on it.

 

[03_es]

i know it seems stupid, but id like a hu that'll match the factory lights inside....any recs on what will look good with the red? i figured kenwood's display would match, but all their new hu's seem to only have 2 sets of preouts. any other suggestions? the shop sells kenwood, pioneer, alpine, and eclipse.